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armughal, I wouldn't make a claim like that outright...in many cases, sadly, when a child is born with severe genetic defects, he/she is thrown onto the streets. There are many more disabled, genetically marred people in Pakistan than you think - its just no one wants to deal with it...so it may seem like children are being born healthy, but that may not be the case always.
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dont generalize on anything....
i've never seen any case, so far, where unhealthy children are born....
and marrying cousins is very common in our family....
and when someone marries someone who's not a cousin or relative, they dont have abnormal kids????
hmmm there is nothing wrong in marrying cousins religiously.. and people need to understand that its not incest.. if it was.. it wouldnt be mentioned in the Quran..
but... like i know myself.. i wouldnt be marrying a cousin cus the relationship i have with all my male cousins is very different.. its pretty much like an elder brother and younger sister kinda thing.. i think its the way u perceive things.. sometimes one cousin might treat u differently.. so u can think of a possible marriage..
my bro and sis and I grow up here in aus.. so we dont really get to see our cousins that much.. but when my bro went back 2 years ago.. he and a cousin liked each other.. it jsut happens.. i dont think anyone expects something to happen.. or u dont go with that intention.. neways now they are both engaged... and very happy Mashallah..
and with all these deseases... well thing is.. if its gonna happen.. its gonna happen.. death will come no matter where u r.. u cant run from it.. sure u can try ur best to stay healthy and all... but aaah well :)
For some odd reason this post is reminding me of the Simpson’s episode with the Lemon Tree, and how Springfield was made and Shellbyville was made so they could marry their attractive cousin.
That’s defeating the purpose of medical science. We must take medical science seriously. You are bringing a child into this world, not something you buy from your local market store and able to return if it comes out defective.
Everyone has recessive genes (eg, ones that you need to have two copies of before that trait is displayed). If you are a “carrier” for a recessive disease (eg, you’re not affected because you only have one copy) your chances of mating with someone who is also recessive are quite rare (depending of course on the incidence rates of that disese allele in society), but the chances of your brother/sister/cousin having that gene are much higher. And the more this happens (the more consecutive generations who intermarry family members) the more these recessive genes get brought to the fore.
eg, if your grandfather or someone had a “bad” gene, and you are carrying the chromosome with you. Now your cousin may have it too, and when you mate, your child will have the XX or XY (girl or boy), causing a defect. The same plays a part on how you deceived your eye colour, hair, etc. (Mendelian Genetics)
The risk of marrying anyone with a birth defective child is 3 to 4%, when you marry your own cousin it’s raised by 3-6%.
But the problem arises when the child decides to marry his/her first cousin, and generations foward.
Although, the statistics is technically invalid because Genetics diverses immensely on consanguineous backgrounds.
Therefore, it’s unaware that if this statistics is Asian, European, African, etc.
The good thing is, many hospital have genetic councelling, where they can access the possibilities of an abnormal child.
Persoanlly, I know 2 couples who have married their cousin, but they are 2nd generation’s. Their children came out with Down Syndrome.
I know of 2 other couples, marrying their first cousin (no previous cousin marriages of knowledge), and each have 2 healthy children.
I know one more family, and they are 1st cousins, and their older child is perfect, but the 2nd child has a syndrome too.
Asalamualikum people! I think we should look at what our religion says about this ongoing debate.
Islam permits marriage between first cousins. If you read the Qur’anic verses state whom a Muslim man/woman cannot marry, you will find that this list does not include cousins.
So such a marriage is permissible. Yet, the Prophet (SAW) RECOMMENDED his followers to marry outside their families and outside their clans. It is important note that when marriage of cousins is repeated over several generations, they are bound to have more effects on children. That is cause weakness in children.
So, the Islamic view is that while marriage between cousins is permissible, it is preferable to choose a marriage partner from outside one’s family this is because Islam promotes the cementing of social relations through marriages between totally unrelated families.
Nevertheless Islam allows marriage between cousins because it meets a social need.
aysha.. a question for u.. or neone else... im not sure if this is right.. but does it somewhere in a hadith or Quran that muslims are asked to first look in their family circle for possible marriage partners.. and if there isnt neone.. then go and look for someone outside the family?
i might be wrong.. but a few months back i had someone tell me this.. but cant remember whether it was a social/cultural idea.. or a religious one..
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salamz everyone..
aysha.. a question for u.. or neone else... im not sure if this is right.. but does it somewhere in a hadith or Quran that muslims are asked to first look in their family circle for possible marriage partners.. and if there isnt neone.. then go and look for someone outside the family?
i might be wrong.. but a few months back i had someone tell me this.. but cant remember whether it was a social/cultural idea.. or a religious one..
ciaoz
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No where does it say that in the Quran. It says in the Quran "we made you into tribes and nations so you can get to know one another".
It makes sense for Prophet Mohammad pbuh to have recommended marrying outside ones family or tribe. In keeping with the belief that no one tribe/race is superior to another. So rationally speaking intermingling would have been encouraged to avoid this 'zaat paat' issue which is so rampant in Pakistan today (I dont know about the rest of the muslim world) I think it is in the case of zakaat that we should look amongst eligible relatives first and then move to outsiders.
I used to wonder how do we all human beings relate to one person Adam. I mean initially it all started from Adam and Eve (amma hawa) so did their kids married to each other or what? I asked a maulwi (imam) about this. He said most of these prophist had different laws in their era aproved by Allah. For instance during Adam's time the first child born could not marry to the 2nd he/she had to wait for the 3rd or 4th what ever was appropriate. So during Muhammad (PBUH) it was allowed to marry first cousin.
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I used to wonder how do we all human beings relate to one person Adam. I mean initially it all started from Adam and Eve (amma hawa) so did their kids married to each other or what? I asked a maulwi (imam) about this. He said most of these prophist had different laws in their era aproved by Allah. For instance during Adam's time the first child born could not marry to the 2nd he/she had to wait for the 3rd or 4th what ever was appropriate. So during Muhammad (PBUH) it was allowed to marry first cousin.
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what??? adam and eve's children were married to jins...
