I don't find any problem with marrying cousins as long as both individuals love each other and are self willingly but if the marriage is due to family relationships (which in majority of cases it is) and because "Wata-Sata" must be kept then it's a serious no-no but even though people know it's not right, children and parents, still it happens.
WOW, great answers, thanks for your views.
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If cuz marriages were wrong/bad then we would not have the greatest example of the outcome i.e Hasan and Hussan
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Errr Maj... I think you've made a mistake. Khalif Ali r.a. and his wife Fatima r.a. were not cousins. Khalif Ali r.a was the Prophet's (SAWS) first cousin, whereas Fatmi r.a was the Prophet's (SAWS) daughter.
Hence, whereas this thread is about marriages between first cousins, the example you gave is of a marriage between a man and his niece, twice removed. Hence you haven't given a relative example.
This topic has been talked about many times before and I think we won't stop talking about it.
As far as I know there is a slightly increased chance of genetic problems with consanguineous marriages. The risk exists with all marriages, it is small and increases slightly in this case.
Cousin marriages are promoted for cultural reasons, and tend to make for a small, closed community. This should be considered too when considering cousin marriages.
major causes identified as causes of mental retardation are first cousin marriages (17 per cent), carelessness during pregnancy (17 per cent), Down Syndrome (13 per cent) and wrong treatment (nine per cent).
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major causes identified as causes of mental retardation are first cousin marriages (17 per cent), carelessness during pregnancy (17 per cent), Down Syndrome (13 per cent) and wrong treatment (nine per cent).
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Can you give us the sources of your info? thanks.
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Errr Maj... I think you've made a mistake. Khalif Ali r.a. and his wife Fatima r.a. were not cousins. Khalif Ali r.a was the Prophet's (SAWS) first cousin, whereas Fatmi r.a was the Prophet's (SAWS) daughter.
Hence, whereas this thread is about marriages between first cousins, the example you gave is of a marriage between a man and his niece, twice removed. Hence you haven't given a relative example.
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Yeah I know HOWEVER they still share the same blood, right.
Oh who cares, you knew what I was getting at.
i founfd in pak newspaper.
http://www.dawn.com/2003/01/21/nat26.htm
I don't mind. As long as the 'cousin' is chosen and not an imposed partner who the heck is anyone else to discuss how disgusting or decent it is?
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I don't mind. As long as the 'cousin' is chosen and not an imposed partner who the heck is anyone else to discuss how disgusting or decent it is?
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nobody can force you not to do it but in some countries it is considred
as incest and marriage is not allowed.
and this is related to the discussion because… 
Get to know each other by marrying other tribes etc, i.e not cousins.
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Get to know each other by marrying other tribes etc, i.e not cousins.
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Thank you Mad Scientist, I just am tired of explaining anymore
Nescio: Interesting point. I've looked into it, and I never came across that theory before. Could you point me to some sources where I can look it up, because everything I've read on it says there is a slightly higher chance of recessive diseases being manifested in the phenotype. Although of course, this is not always the case. I would think, for your proposal to work, that the intermarriages would have to go on for a long time for nat. selection to work upon them...but then how do you explain the problems that royal families faced in europe (esp in england) where one ONLY married royalty and there was much intermarrying as a result?
Gadha, Fret Wizard: Its not that marrying a cousin will definitely lead to problems...its when its done over a long period of time. The Quran actually balances by not prohibiting cousin-cousin marriages along with encouraging marriages among different tribes. If a family sticks to this balance, then there wont be much problems. But if a family choses imbalance by ONLY marrying with cousins...well, then eventually you're going to get European Royalty health problems.
asian people have been marrying cousins and other close family members from milleniums now and living a very halthy+happy life....
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Nescio: Interesting point. I've looked into it, and I never came across that theory before. Could you point me to some sources where I can look it up, because everything I've read on it says there is a slightly higher chance of recessive diseases being manifested in the phenotype. Although of course, this is not always the case. I would think, for your proposal to work, that the intermarriages would have to go on for a long time for nat. selection to work upon them...but then how do you explain the problems that royal families faced in europe (esp in england) where one ONLY married royalty and there was much intermarrying as a result?
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ok sure, I'll look up in even more sources, but i read it in my Genetics study-book, so i think it's quite reliable than other (news)sources. and as u say correctly, it has to be going on for quite some generations (as is the case in paki and other countries).
normally, the risk of an AR-disease is 0,2%. With cousin marriages it is increased to 2%. But cuz of natural selection (if cousin marriages are going on very long) this 2% decreases to 1% (??? - this last one wasn't exactly specified).
theres never been a cousin marriage in my family...as far as I know but i dont think its wrong to marry ure first cousin...if there was something wrong in it Allah would have forbidden it and there are ayahs in the Qur'an that tell you who you can and cant marry
im living in the UK and i have to say that even westerners who fall in love with their first cousins marry there are many cases and to say it is disgusting is just stereotyping
armughal, I wouldn't make a claim like that outright...in many cases, sadly, when a child is born with severe genetic defects, he/she is thrown onto the streets. There are many more disabled, genetically marred people in Pakistan than you think - its just no one wants to deal with it...so it may seem like children are being born healthy, but that may not be the case always.
Just to share a personal encounter with you all...I was in Pakistan recently and I think we were walking in this shopping area in bahadurabad or near rabi center - can't remember exactly where...but I saw this human, young adult in appearance...with two heads, and oversized body. It was two humans that were merged at birth, and somehow had survived it...and they were approaching people asking for money...but they had a hard time coordinating each other, so they ended up scaring people away.
I must confess, I myself was pretty freaked and my cousin had to manuver me when walking by them.
i see no problem is that. PCG just mentioned a situation but i don't think it happens in every case. there are people who were not cousins, got married and later had abnormal kids. how will you explain that? yes its simple to say that its a genetic defect. if so is the case then people simply should not marry at all. there is always a certain amount of risk involved and is same in marrying cousins.
Chaltahai, What was so funny about that?