Re: "country" not "Religion" defines us.
Your statement
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It's only the Pakistanis who think all Muslims are their brothers.
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Is factually incorrect and proven wrong by the evolution of terrorists outfits over the past 30 years. Really doesn't matter what you wish. The statement is factually incorrect.
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Your statement Is factually incorrect and proven wrong by the evolution of terrorists outfits over the past 30 years. Really doesn't matter what you wish. The statement is factually incorrect.
And pray tell me how many Christian countries think they are all brothers?
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And pray tell me how many Christian countries think they are all brothers?
huh? I fail to see the correlation between discussions on pan-Islamism and Christianity. They are not related.
Re: "country" not "Religion" defines us.
huh? I fail to see the correlation between discussions on pan-Islamism and Christianity. They are not related.
In your hurry to point out mistakes, you have utterly failed to see the point.
We were, if you haven't noticed, talking about how many countries are Muslim (like Turkey), but the people there are defined by their COUNTRY, not their RELIGION i.e Islam.
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I really wish that it was our Country: Pakistan that defined us. It's only the Pakistanis who think all Muslims are their brothers.
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The above statement means that its only the Pakistanis who think that all Muslim countries (and their inhabitants) are their brothers. Since your mental capabilities seem to be limited, I should add here that brother is not meant to be taken literally. Here its to be taken in the sense of "Islamic Brethren"/Comrades, not tat Pakistanis think that all Muslims are their brothers by blood. And remember! Read Slowly :)
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No i see the point and the chip on your shoulder. But such is life.
Again it has been proven false. The past 30 years show its not just Pakistanis but also Egyptians, Yemeni, Libyans etc. They all joined various Terror outfits based on the misguided views of a leader about Islam. Their common unifying factor was Islam.
So it is not only Pakistanis who think all Muslims are their brothers.
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Again it has been proven false. The past 30 years show its not just Pakistanis but also Egyptians, Yemeni, Libyans etc. They all joined various Terror outfits based on the misguided views of a leader about Islam. Their common unifying factor was Islam.
Again, you prove that you can only think small. Pakistanis are laboring under the delusion that the entire Muslim Ummah is their brethren/Comrade/Best Buddies.
BTW, how does Muslims from many nations joining terrorist groups prove anything except that idiots abound all over the world?
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Of course they are. Saudi Arabia bankrolled our Nuclear program. We get oil on deferred payments well till the PPP came to power we did. Turkey's actions vis a vis Afghanistan, Pakistan and the Taliban are based on religion more than anything since Erdogan is an ardent Islamist and shares a strong affinity to Pakistan.
Also can you provide any evidence that no other Muslim community believes that the Muslim Ummah is not their brethren/comrade/best buddies.
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Of course they are. Saudi Arabia bankrolled our Nuclear program. We get oil on deferred payments well till the PPP came to power we did.
Also bankrolled a slaughter in our cities.
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Turkey's actions vis a vis Afghanistan, Pakistan and the Taliban are based on religion more than anything since Erdogan is an ardent Islamist and shares a strong affinity to Pakistan.
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Ahan? What actions? Proof of his love for Pakistan?
Re: "country" not "Religion" defines us.
Also can you provide any evidence that no other Muslim community believes that the Muslim Ummah is not their brethren/comrade/best buddies?
Re: "country" not "Religion" defines us.
Also can you provide any evidence that no other Muslim community believes that the Muslim Ummah is not their brethren/comrade/best buddies?
TO quote TLK about the Khilafat Movement: "Is liay ke saray jahan ka dard hamaray seenay mein hai"
And that is the truth, Pakistani Muslims are forever concerned about events in other Muslim lands. Pakistan doesn't recognize Israel on religious grounds. The Arabs don't because it is their own regional problem. How many Arab countries don't recognize India (because of the Kashmir issue).
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^you saying that no other muslim people have the view of 'ummah' or 'brethren' other than the pakistanis??
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Again, you prove that you can only think small. Pakistanis are laboring under the delusion that the entire Muslim Ummah is their brethren/Comrade/Best Buddies.
BTW, how does Muslims from many nations joining terrorist groups prove anything except that idiots abound all over the world?
I think it's much easier to see when you live outside Pakistan, when you see how Muslims, regardless of nationality, rush to help each other (not all of them but I've been on the receiving end of many random acts of kindness by Muslims) then you begin to feel part of the wider Islamic community. Maybe it does mean I've lost some part of my national pride or patriotism but I think it's the people who believe all Pakistani's are brothers are the delusional ones, maybe delusional is too strong a word, wishful thinkers?
Although I think nationalism and having a sense of identity related to your country is incredibly important I think in this globalised world where many of us are living in multicultural societies it takes a step back.
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I think it's much easier to see when you live outside Pakistan, when you see how Muslims, regardless of nationality, rush to help each other (not all of them but I've been on the receiving end of many random acts of kindness by Muslims) then you begin to feel part of the wider Islamic community. Maybe it does mean I've lost some part of my national pride or patriotism but I think it's the people who believe all Pakistani's are brothers are the delusional ones, maybe delusional is too strong a word, wishful thinkers?
I was talking about Countries, not individuals.
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I was talking about Countries, not individuals.
But the actions of the so called 'Islamic' governments don't represent religion :S
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But the actions of the so called 'Islamic' governments don't represent religion :S
Let me ask you something, how many Arabs are really concerned about Kashmir as compared to the Pakistanis concerned for Palestine? Get the point? :)
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Let me ask you something, how many Arabs are really concerned about Kashmir as compared to the Pakistanis concerned for Palestine? Get the point? :)
So we are talking about individual people? I think that when you live in a multicultural society you will be surprised by how many people (Muslims and non-Muslims) who actually care and go out and campaign and fight for other people's rights regardless of nationality. I think we need to get out of our little bubble or exclusive Pakistani only club and globalise like everyone else is.
Humane people care about bloodshed in Kashmir or Gaza or Syria regardless of what nationality they are, there are many Pakistani's who don't care about Kashmir or the bombings in Karachi in Peshawar, it just means that they are horrible people, how much one human being cares for another is not dictated by nationality.
Re: "country" not "Religion" defines us.
So we are talking about individual people? I think that when you live in a multicultural society you will be surprised by how many people (Muslims and non-Muslims) who actually care and go out and campaign and fight for other people's rights regardless of nationality. I think we need to get out of our little bubble or exclusive Pakistani only club and globalise like everyone else is.
Humane people care about bloodshed in Kashmir or Gaza or Syria regardless of what nationality they are, there are many Pakistani's who don't care about Kashmir or the bombings in Karachi in Peshawar, it just means that they are horrible people, how much one human being cares for another is not dictated by nationality.
Uff!!! It's so difficult to make you understand! :)
Look, people in Pakistan are vehemently opposed to Israel, Why? Because of all that Muslim Brethern mumbo jumbo. Are the Palestinians themselves totally opposed to India? No. Any other Muslim country? No.