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Assalam o Alaikum wa rehmatullah wa barakatuhu

I have been visiting this forum for last three years, have made some good friends and learned new things. In fact visiting these forums have changed my way of thinking now I am more prepared to listen the other side’s story
Khair
I believe it is the duty of each individual to seek true path, regard less of what race, religion and group he belong to. ALLAH subhawataalah knows each individual and have given each individual ample chance to choose the correct path.
I being born in a pro religious family (we had to pray but no aqeedah was ever enforced on us) tried my level best to choose the correct path
Below is how I approached different religious groups and the conclusion I reached about them

Shiaism

As I was born in a sunni family I started my search by choosing the opposite version of islam, as many of my close friends were shia and they knew that I am searching for what is correct version of islam IMO so they guided me to a shia library, Kutab khana mufeed sayyar trust rawalpindi.The first booklet I choosed was one of baqar najfis book which did not gave very good impression of shiaism to me, the first impression being ever lasting, he openly abused sahabah :razi: and contained some aqaidh like non completion of quran etc.
Other 2/3 books my friends provided also were non impressive to me as well. So I thought that this is not islam in my opinion, khallas
My main source of discussing shia version was Allama Hamid Ali moosvi’s ALI masjid rawalpindi.Sons of hamid ali moosvi (identical twins who were ditto copy of Hansie cronje :)– late south African captain) played football with me so I had all the opportunity to meet and ask questions with different shia scholars.
Hamid Ali moosvi is the main leader of tehreek e nifaz e fiqah jafria –moosvi group and is also major supporter of terrorist organizations Mukhtar force and sipah e Muhammad.
It was only later that when I decided that I should stick with ahle sunnah wal jammaat aqeedah that I started reading about shiaism through books of our ulema like Molana Manzoor Naumani, Noulana Abdus Sattar and latest being an excellent work by Moulana Yousaf ludhyanvi shaheed rehmatullah, reconfirmed the quotes from shia books and concluded that this can not be islam and a person having such aqeedah can not be a muslim
Now when I see different shia posters here denying these aqaidh makes me confuse. There are shia posters on some other forums and on orkut community who state that they believe in all those aqaidh which makes their islam doubtful to me.
Now I am confused about this shiaism, their books show different aqeedah INCLUDING the aqeedah of taqiyyah and katman (hiding your faith ) and shia posters here present a different story. I have yet to find any good list of shia ulema and books both from past and present which clearly state shia aqeedah.
I am sure other sunni posters face similar problems when discussing an issue with shias here, they are quick to denounce any thing that may affect their image here
For example,

In the above quote Brother ravage says that shia don’t believe that sunni compliled quran is inauthentic. This is what usulis say their aqeedah is. Ususlis only arrived on the scene after many centuries , where as shia aqeedah of tehreef e quran in meaning etc (akhbari aqeedah) was held in shia writings right from the early aaima of shia belive..
Now three question arise
1-What is the Sharae dalil of this sunni compiled quran being not inauthentic from shia books, there must be atleast some hadiths to back this claim against few thousand hadith claiming the otherwise.There must be some aqwal of Aiima to back this claim.
2-What do shias think about those people who belive in this tehreef e quran thing.are they kaffir ifnot why not?
3-If all these tehreef hadiths are to be rejected what is the correct nature of these hadith.
Are they Dhaeef or are they Moudho?
If they are dhaeef then according to normal hadith practice a dhaeef hadith of tawatur becomes authentic, what does shia hadith science, if any, tells us. Even if we reject these hadith then there must be many narrators common in these hadtihs and other accepted hadiths , what thus is the basis of rejecting one hadith by a narrator and accepting the other?
There are many other similar questions/confusion I have which i need to get answer of but due to this apparent disagreement between different shia resources , books/internet, I can not get rationale answer
Mirzaiyat/Qadiyaniat
During school days my elder sister’s islamiat teacher (our neighbor also) was qadiyani, I frequently visited her house,had friendship with her brothers and used to read the books she provided, it was only after I borrowed a book from her , one of rooohani khazian parts, and saw the stunning ability of mirza Jee to give ja’amia tareen abuses that I thought this is not a sane person’s writings(sorry but that is where I rate this person). The more I read about them / their books the more I am sure about this.

If you had the patience to read these few lines above please advice me whether my approach was right or wrong , what else should I do to have a better understanding of these two groups
Also please share your method of finding the true path, did you read what other sects say , how did you approached the believe of other sects in islam
Jazakallah khair and wassalam

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bhai saab itni lambi kahan main sawaal kahaan ahi :konfused:

Baraye mehrbani ., Sawal ko underline kar key **bold **kardain our sawaab e daraain hasil karain :jazak:

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Piyaray Bhai Code red-

Yaar sawaal ithay hay

aap ka shukria-

EDIT:

Please read this my original post

** Sirf baligh hadraat kay liye** :hehe:

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I am positive that you know the right approach to learning about any religion, sect of islam is to research its fundamental beliefs and once satisfied with those beliefs then get into details about its own aqaids.

I am no learned scholar but I can tell you the main difference between the two sects (namely sunnis and shias) is on the successor of Prophet Mohammad.

You should research that topic first before you get into details about other aqaids.

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Baaqi sab tau theek hei lekin please refrain from giving irrelevant and unneccesary information :crying:

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Bao Ji…:hugz:

:salam:

I was not religious…I never was taught how to pray and never even went to Jumaah prayers…I considered myself a Sufi, composed poetry and did lots of Haram things…

As a Sufi I considered everyone OK…I didn’t care about who followed what, considered the Wahabbis as enemies of the world and never had a desire to learn even the basics of my deen…I didn’t care who Shia were or Ahmadis…

My Shia friends, being kids, used to abuse the Sahaba in front of me, and I would be like, yeah, whatever…

9/11 happened and I was drawn to Islam…Then I started reading up on my faith and started to learn about Islam…

It was then that I realized that Islam is not about just following what has been taught to us or molding Islam to suit our needs…I found out that it is ME who has to mold himself to fit into Islam…As more and more knowledge kept coming to me, I kept molding myself, changing my way of thinking…

I also realized, that you can fall in love with this faith, Islam…In its true, untainted form, Islam is something to love and cherish…And after reading up on the Aqaaids of many other sects, I realized how they were putting Islam through a change, to mold Islam, to distort my beloved faith to suit their needs…

And that too, not just because it suited them, but because the Kuffar wanted them to change it…Since the Kuffar didn’t like the Islam in its pure form, they wanted the Muslims to change my beloved religion…

Then I read up, that people would rather die than change even a single, basic concept of Islam, for an Islam changed is not Islam…

The Kuffar were planting ideas like, Jihad is terrorism, Homosexuality is OK, premarital relations are OK, it’s alright to look the other way if someone is twisting Islam’s teachings in the name of tolerance…

I read and found out that the only thing that unites a Muslim to Islam is to follow its teachings, without a molecule addition from any outside source…The clean, untainted Islam that gives strength, fearlessness, confidence, conviction and most importantly, peace of mind when followed…

The more tainted someone’s beliefs, the more at unrest and unhappy he would be…

This all came after reading and sitting down wit various people who had knowledge…

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Im going to reply via pm bao bihari, since I dont wish to be involved in sectarian debates.

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:biggthumb i really liked the change 9/11 bought in u…instead of goin the wrong way u came to the right path…

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Well expressed brother - May Allah subhanuta’alla guide us all to live Islam as the Prophet (pbuh) taught and his beloved Sahabah (ra) followed upon. Ameen

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what? another shia bashing thread...can't we just stick with one thread at a time?
someone must have a lot of patience to deal with people like you.

ravage...dont even bother...some of the guppies are the biggest BS artist...you should know that by now...they have no answers in "i have accepted shiaism" thread so they open another one of their stupid ignorant thread

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Bashing? Where? By whom?

Why are challenging views considered by you as bashing?

Bao just opened a thread about whtever knowledge he had…Who considers that bashing?

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stick with one thread at a time...many shia posters have had long discussions with you folks but tum logo ka mind to pehlay say banna wa hai...again watch the video by sunni moulana ishaq...he has explained in simple words that yes there are differences and WHY there are differences...u stick to what you believe and respect our views also

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Is questioning about your Aqeedah disrespecting it? Are discussions disrespecting?

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what is the point when you don't agree with the answer? really
is this thread something new? stop being immature

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So if you don’t agree on something it means you stop discussing it? The how are new things supposed to come to light?

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I appreciate your quest for a puritain version of Islam but tell me how is it possible to be sure that the version you are following is the untainted one
the common answer given is that we follow the best generation ....first three sahaba,Tabaeen and Tabatabaeen,......now this would have been okay had ALL the personalities from these 3 generations had been following the the SAME version of Islam.But history tells us that there had been theological disputes between them from the very beginning and many of them introduced innovations on their own( justified or not that is a different debate) now offcourse one side will claim their "bidah" is a good one and the others "bidah" is a bad one......

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Sheraz, discussions are "discussions" if you find an "insult" you can always point that out and I'm sure either moderator will club it or the poster will look at it. Discussions are to exchange of knowledge, when someone presents his views doesn't mean that other MUST accept and adopt it; he can disagree with it too.

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In my own search for the differences I read a book from Brelvi author (their concepts/aqaid), book from Shia author (don't remember exact names/titles), history books to find out what went wrong right after Prophet PBUH's demise.

My own understanding is as mentioned by Curious One i.e. the fight for successor of Prophet. Companions vs Ahle-bait. Followers of both went to extremes in times of Muwayiah and the divide increased multifolds including badmouthing of opposite leaders during Friday sermons etc. All this "hate" resulted in totally discarding source of info from other side which gave rise to differences in aqaaid.

If you can rise above the level to discard the old-ingrained-differences and read you'll find the common land from there you can actually laugh (sadly) at people who are fighting at the differences.

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[quote=“Das Reich”]

Simple…

Throw out everything that’s not in the Quran and Sunnah…

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One can see the difference here, how Bao has asked and how Sheraz has responded.