Re: Copy cat Quran desecration incident in California college
the Bible and Jesus are incorporated into Islam, so naturally Muslims must show respect. no need to pretend that there is some moral highground that Muslims are standing on, or that there is some superior tolerance level.
on the other hand, Islam and Muhammad post-date Christianity entirely…as such, the Quran is considered invalid and prophethood of Muhammad is not accepted amongst Christians. similarly, Mirza Ghulam’s prophethood is not accepted by all of you. i’ve never seen any respect for him amongst non-Ahmadi Muslims, have you?
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thats actually a really good point. people who argue that muslims respect all holy books shouldnt give examples of bible and torah because its a religious commandment to respect those books since they are divine. maybe gita or the ahmedi book would be better examples. although i dont know how much respect gita gets, i dont know of it being flushed down the toilet.
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Yes.
But you are in the minority (on this board) that denies Islam is a politcal movement. As religion crosses over into politics there may be the same type and anger such as those who burn the American flag to protest the policies of US. With no religous flag to burn, what other symbol will they choose? Probably the one that that insults and inflames the most.
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Where did I ever say hundreds of millions of Muslims were silent? ANSWER: Nowhere.
I said the overwhelming majority of Muslims expressed their displeasure in appropriate non-violent fashions. That reaction is normal and can be anticipated and understood. The rioters, burners of the Quran and killers of other Muslims reacted abnormally and like a bunch of loonies. Can you hear me now?
A good act of protest should cause normal people to react or it is not very effective. That’s why I believe flag burning and book burning (yes, even the Quran or the Bible) should not be prohibited. You don’t ban an act or an expression because some loonies will act irrationally and crazy. Just because you’re angry about an act doesn;t mean it should be prohibited. And, as more and more Qurans get flushed because people see that it makes you angry, maybe you’ll ask yourself why it is that people want to upset me and make me angry. Of course, the answer you find and are willing to accept might just be that some Americans hate Islam and are evil satanic people. I think you should look for the root causes of that behavior and you might find it in the dismembered corpse of Daniel Pearl.
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semi: i doubt im a minority, infact you'd be hard pressed to find many who would claim that Islam is one coherent political movement. there is a political aspect of Islam, and one political interpretation of Islam that is largely marginalized on this forum is at all engaged in the WOT, however overblown the threat it poses is.
MV im sorry, im arguing with so many people its hard to keep track. your compatriots eventually seem to say that these incidents are condemnable. i guess finally agreeing with 2 out of 3 isnt that bad. but really, increased protests and anger would make people think about why they're hated? why didnt i get any introspection or 'why do they really hate us' from you guys when theres repeated documented proof of america's mostly negative perception all across the (not just Muslim) world? the american flag is probably the most burned in the most countries, but ofcourse theres so many different reasons for them all.
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C’mon Ravage. You are not following the bouncing ball very well. I said you should ask “why do people want to upset me and make me angry.” Sure enough, you assume you should ask “why do they hate me.” I guess I predicted that response pretty well in my last post.
People will now flush the Quran to upset you and make you angry. It does not necessarily follow that the only reason to want to upset you and make you angry is because they hate you.
As to your other point about introspection, protests at home and around the world do cause people like me to have some introspection. But I don’t consider killing and beheading Americans because they are Americans to be a form of protest. I consider it cold blooded murder. And cold blooded murderers don’t give me pause for introspection.
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^ thats funny, cuz niether have I.
nikhil: saudi's do the same to other muslims. I wouldnae hold them as the bar to make a point. its common knowledge tolerance is not one of their strong points. an i doubt they claim to be either. however, there are those who pretend to hold the beacon for tolerance, yet allow such filth in thier backyard, not once, but 5 times.
i almost chuckled at the pentagon (i think) spokes person yesterday who admited their inquiry found the Quran abuse had occured at least 5 times, but then went on to insist the flushing story newsweek published was not true. well, i guess that makes it alrite then. so long as it wasnt flushed, its all good eh.
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“We’ve also identified 15 incidents where detainees mishandled or inappropriately treated the Koran, one of which was, of course, the specific example of a detainee who ripped pages out of their own Koran,” the general added.
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Thanks for the link CM.
correction; it was Brigadier General Jay Hood, not the pentagon spokesperson i mentioned.
OG: Thats prolly cuz you have to log on to read the rest. an i seriously doubt detainees mishandled the Quran unless they were forced to. G'tmo is well known for its seriously sick soldiers/interrogaters.
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Ma Gitmo is also known for its violent Jihadis. Wouldn't need the interrogators except for that 9/11 thing. Despite what you think, those are not shepherd boys. You shut down all the Jihadis we will shut down Gitmo, deal? Until then we need a place to keep your evil spawn.... Actually, just get OBL to retract that Fatwa, and we could all relax a little. In the mean time, just the threat of sending someone off to our little Carribean Gulag probably helps cooperation around the world.
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'jihadis' being the keyword og. it is universally known, Quran is one thing they dont diss . apart from that, IMO most of the guys in there are innocent. even if they werent, US has no rights keep them there. why are they scared of an open trial? lack of evidence i presume?
still, whats wrong is wrong, an i understand it takes only people with guts to admit it. but torture is one thing i wouldnae defend if my life depended on it, og. i canae believe your condoning g'tmo. your views are sickening to say the least.
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Ma, your post praying for the healty return of Zarqawi seemed only a little facetious.
Watch and more importantly listen to a beheading video. Your tacit if not overt support of this criminal suggests that you shouldn’t lecture on the subject of the indefensible.
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ah sod off storch. you were prolly the only one who didnae pick up on the sarcasm. zarqawi is calling for the killing of shias, if u think am gonna want him healthy, u can kindly, think again. :halo: