Re: Copy cat Quran desecration incident in California college
Respectfully, I think where you are wrong here is that the rioting and killing in response to the non-event news story of Quran flushing is not legitimate anticipated reaction to the non-event. Rather, the hundreds of millions of Muslims who did not riot and kill each other is a better barometer of the legitimate anticipated reaction to such news.
I can’t yell “fire” in a crowded movie theater because a person of normal intelligence would understand that other people of normal intelligence would react normally by stampeding out of the building and people would get hurt. I can, however, stand up in a movie theater and yell “Jello” because people of normal intelligence would understand that other people of normal intelligence might tell me to “hush up” but wouldn’t act irrationally by stampeding out of the building.
You don’t stop people from doing things or saying things because some looney might react in a looney way to what they might say or do. The Muslims who rioted, burned mosques and killed their fellow Muslims acted in a looney way to the news. Those who voiced their displeasure in a non-violent fashion reacted normally and appropriately.
I do quite agree with OhioGuy in the sense that many people now recognize that burning or flushing a Quran causes deep mental turmoil for many Muslims and this will only cause more such incidents to occur. And, IMO, burning a flag or burning a book (even a sacred one) is a legitimate form of non-violent expression of protest. Heck, if those hooded a**holes in Iraq chose to burn the Bible while praising their God instead of beheading people, they might not be viewed as the evil they are.
Re: Copy cat Quran desecration incident in California college
He's seems to judge what is sacred to someone by their reaction of it being destroyed. The more violent and irrational the more respect you have for it. The majority of Americans don't think or react that way, and as myvoice just pointed out the majority of Muslims don't either.
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suddenly the shouting fire in a crowded theatre are taken in a literal sense by the same group of people who were using it to silence international students and dissent across america.
your analogy of jello and fire is ridiculous, and it wouldnt be such an issue if only the loonies had reacted angrily to this. you claim that hundreds of millions of muslims were silent? why then do i keep hearing things like u should be equally angry when muslims use violence in the name of religion?
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You are the one using ridiculous comparisons and are all over the board.
"you will be forever stuck in stasis if i start claiming all forms of protest have the same validity" - does that not apply to lack of protest as well?
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They are now locking up Qurans behing the reception desk at the University where this is alleged to have occured. Now you have a holy book locked away where no one can see it. Pretty soon bookstores will require a backround check before buying a Quran. Congratulations, the people who do hate you now have a new way of making you die by remote control.
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The funny thing is that you would never see a supposed "intolerant" muslim flush bible or abuse it any other way, yet these "tolerant" yanks flush koran down the toilet.
These white boys are in no condition to lecture others on tolerance or human rights.
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Here we go all over again...
If you want to compare the intolerance of one college student and some (alleged) interrogators flushing a book and the intolerance of a world wide radical anti-American jihadi movement killing civilians PLUS the INSTITUTIONAL discrimation of non-Muslims in most Muslim countries, then it is your meaurement of intolerance that is funny.
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dont give me your usual crap. you claim about tolerance all all that.
HOw many women have been elected as president in America ? NONE
IN MUSLIM countires women have become prime ministers (highest office) in Pakistan, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Turkey etc.
The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Pakistan in the whole decade of the 1960’s was CHRISTIAN named A. R. Cornelius. How many non-christian/jews, have become the chief justice of supreme court of America ?
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Who is defending intolerance?
It just isn't stomachable for hear from people who hail from countries where religious tolerance is basically non existent, that when one college student flushes a Quran it symbolized "American Intolerance".
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See here is the thing. We don’t care, flush all the bibles you want. While the bible is holy to us, it is “Good Works” that are more important in our religion. Honoring my Book while issuing a Fatwa and flying planes into buildings is meaningless to me.
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See here is the thing we “intolerant” Muslims would never abuse a bible, because even if we don’t believe in the bible, we would still respect it as holy to other people.
You would NEVER SEE a Muslim curse Jesus. because we respect Jesus. But you have ministers in America who abuse Mu-hmmad and call him a phedophile or what ever.
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listen I am not trying to generalize anybody. There are bad yanks, and Then there are very good kind americans. There are good and bad people in every group.
Listen if we Muslims are that intolerant then there would never been any non-muslim in India. We ruled India for 600 years and if we wanted to convert all of them to our religion we could have , but we didn’t.
Do you know when your christian ancestors were slaughtering jews in europe in the inquisition, most of those jews were given refuge in MUSLIM ottoman empire and MUSLIM spain. Talk about tolerance
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Sure, I have more than enough respect for both Muslims and Islam to condemn any destruction of the Quran. It is a hateful horrific thing to do.
With that clearly said, Islam is a politcal movement. Parsing the politics from the religion is very difficult to do. And once people know how to express their displeasure with Muslim Politics, I would expect the worst.
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NO Islam is NOT a political movement. It is simply a religion, but what is happing is that most of the poor victimized people of this world happen to be Muslims. WHo happen to be struggling for their rights. And their religion (islam ) happen to be the uniting identity these people are coming towards.
Just like In NOrthern Ireland, Catholic religion is not a political movement, But the Irish after being oppressed by the british for so long , unite on their Catholic identity to fight for their irish rights.
WHen you have oppression, religion often becomes the uniting force.