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err, hmm..maybe you can bring up that thread storch, an we'll discuss my 'admiration' for zarqawi over there. interesting you ne'er chose to comment in that one.
an am a shia if there e'er was one, why wudnt this concern me?
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Ma, where do you get this "trials" stuff. Read the Geneva conventions deary. A fighter picked up on a battlefield can be held til the end of the war. Is it over? Was there a truce while I was sleeping? Infact, the Third Geneva Convention says that you must REMOVE POWs (of couse these guys don't obey the laws of war, so they are not entitled to the full protections of the Conventions), from the field of battle for thier own safety. And the Geneva conventions sure allow you to question them. And what I would absolutely NOT want is for them to be back in the US where would-be Johnny Cochrans' can spend a lot of money in courts. I do think we pick up some innocent perople from time to time. I also think that we return those people to their country, cause lets face it, space is limited at Gitmo. Would much rather fill it up with bad guys.
And all over the Muslim world mothers are slapping the side of their teenaged kids heads, saying, "Are you an idiot, do you want to end up at Gitmo?" I think it has some deterent effect.
I really have no problem with Guantanamo. I think it has become a propaganda symbol and you have swallowed the propaganda hook, line, and sinker..... Thats why the outrage in the US is pretty limited.
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A very good point indeed.
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Yeah, that makes so much sense since a book and a person have the same protections and rights in a free society.
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^ well it can be said books have more, people die to fight for the freedom of speech no?
OG: am glad i dont allow geneva conventions to cloud my conscience, or thinking. If all that jargon leads humans to be imprisoned with out evidence, then obviously theres something wrong. We all know Geneva laws are man made, they are not infallible, which means we dunn have to accept them, esp. if they contradict human rights. and when its strongly criticised by org. amnesty international and Red cross, you definately know theres something wrong. you just have to have the guts to accept it.
am sure most mothers are thinking, my son was innocent. Their families and friends are thinking anything but nice thoughts towards US. That is where ill will breeds most, not in madressahs. y'all got it so wrong. still what're a few innocents eh, its only a dozen more jihadis in the pipeline.
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All laws are man made.
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maybe, but thats beside the point.
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In the US, flushing a book down the toilet is an example of freedom of speech, there are no laws against it. Flushing a Jew down the toilet is an example of an assault and there are laws against it.
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cammon, whats a few jews over a book? we all know US has warped laws.
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Ma, these Jihadis come from nearly 50 countries. The thing that the Geneva conventions DOES not respect is Mercenaries. The thing they try to preserve is innocent lives. So they require things like uniforms so you don’t have to shoot everybody in the village, just the guys in the opposing uniform. If you are on a battlefield in a country far away from your country without the permission of your country, you are a mercenary, and you do not get the protection of the Geneva convention. The logic of the conventions is to avoid civilian casualties, and to treat opposing soldiers to a standard of minimum decency. They are not all entitled to tea on the terrace.
These idiots should have known when they went to a far off land to fight, that there may be consequences. I have not a whit of compassion for freelance mercenaries travelling the world looking for a fight. THEY are the problem, not Guantanamo. Because the gravitate to lawless stateless areas where civilians cower in fear at mercenary armies who have come to thier area to fight a holy war. It is the crusades in reverse. They do not deserve lawyers and trials, if they want war, they can behave like Prisoners of this New Holy War. Keeping prisoners hastens the end of conflict. If we release them I am reasonably sure they will resume fighting. So let them rot until OBL signs a peace treaty, and the conflict ends.
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People from over 50 countries hate the US?
Makes you think doesn't it. So many poepel want to beat the **** out of you and yet you are still playng victim. I wonder who the agressor really is.
And please, OBL wasn't Eye-RackE. Nor does he simultaneously hold citezenship of fifty different countries.
So far as this is concerned "It is the crusades in reverse" What is so reverse about the Christians all complexed under the banner of Bush waging a God Odained war against all that is evil and unchristian.
I was taking the piss outta you earlier, but you are for real?
So far as taking my pale skin and joining the brother-hood of dufus, there are some neonazis down town who along with bakhlawa give free chips. Thanks but not thanks.
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This brings up an interesting question of what exactly constitutes those “human rights.” At its most basic, a “human right” is any basic right or freedom to which all human beings are entitled and in whose exercise a government may not interfere. I’m not sure there is any general agreement as to what rights we have as human beings that can’t be taken away by a government. In the US, we have enunciated one human right as the freedom of thought and expression. While government’s can’t take away the “thought,” there certainly are a whole bunch that punish the “expression.” Funny thing is, you’d be hard pressed to find an Islamic country that permits free expression whether it be in the form of political dissent or religious expression.
I can’t think of very many people who would suggest that it is a basic human right to take up arms, go to a foreign country and act as a mercenary. I think there are even fewer who would suggest that it is improper for a government to deprive a person of his/her liberty in order to prevent that.
I would respectfully suggest that America and Americans include more things within the bundle of rights we call human rights than almost anyplace else in the world. And, we are more protective of those rights than almost any other country in the world. Even at Gitmo. That’s not to say we’re perfect and don’t occasionally trample on a few of them. But, I’d wager that the human rights of the people held at Gitmo are honored one heck of a lot more than the human rights of people imprisoned in Saddam’s Iraq, in Iran, China, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Turkey and a whole lot of other places.
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you don't get across the pond much do you :)