I’ve had numerous discussion about this with my parents, and tried looking up things online but have not found anything concrete as yet. And I guess my question also relates more to actual law in Pakistan.
If lets say I wanted to no longer be Muslim - would I be wajib ul qatl? If I am does the Pakistani state have the authority to execute me or would some random maulana who hears about this issue a fatwa?
Related to this - is another question - also about Pakistani law - lets say I’m a Christian/Atheist/Ahmadi/Homosexual - and I commit adultery - does the Hudood Ordinance apply to me?
asking this **serious question**** in your *VERY FIRST post...another *MULTI...welcome!
thanks for the warm welcome, never posted in gupshup before though - saw this forum a while back feb'11 was my reg date, wanted to ask this question then - but then forgot about the forum and couldn't remember my login details. But please don't let me stop you from making any assumptions.
thanks for the warm welcome, never posted in gupshup before though - saw this forum a while back feb'11 was my reg date, wanted to ask this question then - but then forgot about the forum and couldn't remember my login details. But please don't let me stop you from making any assumptions.
nice story Mr UNOS :D
I heard about one of my uncle's friend or co worker or something that converted from Islam to Christianity in the 80s or 90s because some Christian missionaries saved his life in a car accident, after spending time with them and reading the bible he converted to Christianity and I think this was somewhere around the Murree region.
rule for those whu leave islam:teary1:…is that they r given 3days n discus their issue or reason etc…but if they dont revert they r murtid,so wajib ul qatal… n as per our (h.t) understanding hadood cannot b implemented until there exist a proper,true islamic state dont know if it is in pak law
n if u comit adultry:( being non-muslim..according to islam u will be punished according to ur deen as** Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel/FASIQOON. 5/47"
again this is law practiced under islamic state most prob in pak law too
plz dont leave islam And whosoever of you turns back from his religion and dies as a disbeliever,then his deeds will be lost in this life and in the Hereafter**
“Today I perfected your religion for you and completed my favor to you and have chosen for you Al-Islam as your religion.” (5:3)
I've had numerous discussion about this with my parents, and tried looking up things online but have not found anything concrete as yet. And I guess my question also relates more to actual law in Pakistan.
If lets say I wanted to no longer be Muslim - would I be wajib ul qatl? If I am does the Pakistani state have the authority to execute me or would some random maulana who hears about this issue a fatwa?
Related to this - is another question - also about Pakistani law - lets say I'm a Christian/Atheist/Ahmadi/Homosexual - and I commit adultery - does the Hudood Ordinance apply to me?
Thanks
Leaving Islam is punishable by Death secondly in the case of Homosexuality we will see under your Religious LAW
According to him there is no punishment for apostasy in the Quran - and since the death penalty for murder - and adultery are death and are mentioned in the Quran - he thinks that the absence of the prescription of death penalty for apostates in the Quran implies that apostasy is not punishable by death.
Those who do think apostasy is punishable by death are basing their views on the Sunnah & Hadith.
@ 1 ummah - I have no intention of leaving Islam - there is no other religion that would satisfy me
@ mukobhai - please do tell me how you’re certain that leaving Islam is punishable by death - where did you hear this from? Can you point to any source?
So I guess I can tell my atheist friend who was never really a Muslim - but raised in a Muslim family - that I think he’s not punishable by death because the Quran does not say so. Does this seem right?
You are correct Mukobhai - according to some hadith (which you will be able to read on the page I linked in my earlier post) apostasy was punished by death.
The question still remains though - the Quran mentions apostasy in numerous versus - in none of those is there a punishment for apostasy in this life - hence should we go above and beyond what the Quran says (or in this case does not say) based on Hadith?
You are correct Mukobhai - according to some hadith (which you will be able to read on the page I linked in my earlier post) apostasy was punished by death.
The question still remains though - the Quran mentions apostasy in numerous versus - in none of those is there a punishment for apostasy in this life - hence should we go above and beyond what the Quran says (or in this case does not say) based on Hadith?
Sir HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW never goes against Quran so HADEES if it is authentic than it is according to Quran and people were killed in the time of PROPHET SAW for leaving Islam and it is an agreed issue among all the fiqahs
Of course the Prophet never did anything against the wishes of Allah.
The BIG - very BIG - difference is that Allah has taken the preservation of the Quran on Himself. He did not do so for the hadith - hence basing something as extreme as taking the life of another individual based on hadith seems excessive to me - especially since the only other two cases in which the taking of a life is permitted are BOTH mentioned in the Quran.
Of course the Prophet never did anything against the wishes of Allah.
The BIG - very BIG - difference is that Allah has taken the preservation of the Quran on Himself. He did not do so for the hadith - hence basing something as extreme as taking the life of another individual based on hadith seems excessive to me - especially since the only other two cases in which the taking of a life is permitted are BOTH mentioned in the Quran.
Sir you can't understand Quran without the help of SUNNAH Sunnah is the detail of Quran and HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW had ordered killing of murtids in his time and this law will remain till the day of Judgement
T](http://www.thepersecution.org/50years/apostasybill.html)he proposed bill would make apostasy punishable by death of a man, and life imprisonment for a woman. There is a period of repentance - upon the expiration of which the sentence would be carried out.
Punishment of Death is for both men and women secondly Sunnah can be used to make the LAW and they can be asked to repent but they will remain under surveillance in and Islamic Society
Sigh, mukobhai, lets try another way shall we? It would be great if you could answer these two questions:
1- Is the Quran the word of Allah as was revealed to the Prophet 1400 years ago?
2- Are the sunnah and hadith that we have today - accurate? Can there be no doubt whether a hadith/sunnat is true or false?
Yes I know the process of Isnaad - however I think it is susceptible to personal bias on part of the narrator and hence hadith should not be taken as a source of Law - they can be taken as a source of knowledge - but when it comes to legislation we should stick to what Allah has given us - which is the Quran. The hadith are exactly the same as the Bible - stories about the life of the Prophet.
Sigh, mukobhai, lets try another way shall we? It would be great if you could answer these two questions:
1- Is the Quran the word of Allah as was revealed to the Prophet 1400 years ago?
2- Are the sunnah and hadith that we have today - accurate? Can there be no doubt whether a hadith/sunnat is true or false?
Yes I know the process of Isnaad - however I think it is susceptible to personal bias on part of the narrator and hence hadith should not be taken as a source of Law - they can be taken as a source of knowledge - but when it comes to legislation we should stick to what Allah has given us - which is the Quran. The hadith are exactly the same as the Bible - stories about the life of the Prophet.
Quran is the word of ALLAH still ALLAH said in the Quran whatever HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW gives to you take and from whatevery he prohibits you leave it and than he also said follow ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW
2 HADEES and SUNNAH are very much authentic that is why HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW said in his last Khutba I am leaving behing Quran and Sunnah follow them and you will not go astray
No mukobhai the Hadees and Sunnah are not authentic - which is why there are different types of hadith - some sahih - some good - some munkir - some daif, some mawdu.
Another question - the Hadees are not the Word of Allah but you still believe they are accurate - while Allah has not taken the responsibility of preserving them. How is the Bible different - was the Bible not stories about Eesa written by his disciples?
