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*Originally posted by fantoosh: *
Buddhism is an atheist religion. It has no God. That is another thing that many Buddhists have created a God out of Buddha.
Buddhism is the only religion that does not preach violence. It does not see enmity. Unlike many of the religions that first explain you the character of your enemy, and provoke you to kill him…give you a license to kill.
One cannot become a Hindu or Jew as per his wish.
One can join Buddhism, Christianity or Islam.
One can come out of Buddhism, Hinduism, Jewish or Christianity.
One cannot come out of Islam.
Islam is the fastest growing religion. They do not agree but the only reason behind is the fast growing birth rate among Muslims. In West they are about to occupy second place is an outcome of fast growing migration rate.
Problem is something else. Whenever we have discussed Islam, or the aspect of Islam in present atmosphere….mostly they many of these scholars have obliged us that majority of Muslims is not following the guidelines of Islam.
What they are proud of (the fastest growing rate.)?
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Not entirely true... There is one version of Buddhism that believes Gautama Buddha is a God.
The Buddha's most celebrated dictum is: "Hostility is never
conquered by hostility in this world; hostility is conquered by
love. That is the eternal law." Again, he says: "Surmount hatred
by not hating, surmount evil with good; surmount greed through
generosity, surmount lies with truth; speak what is true, do not
succumb to anger, give when you are asked." Compare this with
Jesus's advice in the New Testament: "... love your enemies, do
good and without expecting anything in return. Your reward will be
great, and you will be children of God."
though many here belive that iam mullah or jihadi type but to thier surprise i must confess that religion i feel is a man made concept
and we get religion by default
suppose if iam born in a hindu or a jew family so i get that religion by default. basically its the type of upbringing that you get that matters
for eg there are many upper caste hindus who brain wash thier children into beliving that they are superiot to other human beings which is preposterous likewise many muslims too think of non muslims as something thats unlawful and dont have right to live which is again where shameful and immature
^ hello??? Chaltahaism is all inclusive, doesn;t discriminate and makes sure that we separate spirituality from ghantas and malas and hajj and baptisms.
No, that is not the only reason! I have a Dutch friend, who is muslim. A much much better muslim then many people I know, who were born as muslims! Through her I met other Dutch women who became muslim. (not always because theymarried one, but some were single, and interested in islam, and loved it!) They have a whole group of Dutch muslims, they hold meetings in Dutch language, and on one of those meetings, I went too, were many western people there who had converted to Islam.
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*Originally posted by kabir: *
though many here belive that iam mullah or jihadi type but to thier surprise i must confess that religion i feel is a man made concept
and we get religion by default
suppose if iam born in a hindu or a jew family so i get that religion by default. basically its the type of upbringing that you get that matters
for eg there are many upper caste hindus who brain wash thier children into beliving that they are superiot to other human beings which is preposterous likewise many muslims too think of non muslims as something thats unlawful and dont have right to live which is again where shameful and immature
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I agree, many people do that, but when the children grow up. They should think for themselves. They should use their own head too. Search for the right religion. It's our duty I think. When I was a teen, I started thinking why am I muslim, just because I was born as one, would I have chosen it as a religion, if I was born atheist? So I started searching. The primary school I went to, as a child, was a catholic one, where we also had bible studies every morning before the actual classes started. So at home I learnt Islam, at school we discussed the Bible. And also, in geography hour, we discussed India, and with it hinduism, also we learnt evolution theory. I mean, you have all these impressions from schools and media and friends. It's up to you yourself to search and not just copy everything your parents do. I have been mixed up for a while, I admit, I even thought of leaving Islam! But Al_ham_du_lillah, I'm still a muslim. Still, knowing a little bit about the other religions, helps understanding those people and respecting them too. Unfortunately, I still don't know enough about Islam, but doesn't real Islam teach us to respect other religions and not to curse on other peoples gods, so they won't curse ours?
Also, off topic, one of the people that really convinced me that for me Islam is the religion, is Ahmed Deedat. Haven't read much of his work. But I have on small booklet, and two videotapes of his discussions.
When I look at his arguments, I have all my answers. He makes it easy to understand many topics for audiances.
Islam is the religion which teaches tolerance and peace. It has guidance for everything for all times to come. It surely is a complete religion and lacks nothing.
How can there be peace if the wrong-doer is not punished?
Kabir, why not to start a new discussion, thread.
I am not sure about God, Allah or what happens after death or before death…..but for one thing I am sure that whatever we are told by many religions is nothing but a fantasy.
Off course we all live by this ‘default’, some of us change our this default…that is we move from one fantasy to another one.
Islamabadi, it is a very bad habit to bring in Islam all the time.
Have a look; you have contradicted your own statement. Islam teaches tolerance and patience and at the same time you will punish the wrong-doer.
Who gives you a right to define the wrong-doer. The same wrong-doer is blaming you for wrong doing.
My friend, this is the reason of all impatience and intolerance among you people.
what exactly did you want to discuss? seems like you only wanted to provoke some anti-Islam discussion as Armughal found it out, then after being caught now you want to start Islam is not “peaceful” discussion.
It is discussed so many times, how much peacefull islam is (no Sarcasm).I just want to know what people think about Budhism.
Because in my view it is such a low profile religon. but it has quite large following.
What gets to me is the hipocrasy of religion. This we are right and you are wrong attitude. But the ironic thing is that without it there is no religion. If you do not believe that what you follow is divine then are you a true believer? And the funnier thing, the insecurity of those who get offended when others think they are wrong. Frankly if we're so sure we're right then we should stay silent in our superiority and up on our petistle, and stay happy in the belief that actually, its us, not them thats right....
Personally, I don't understand Buddism and I've been studying it for three years. I believe in Islam, not through default but through active choice, there are no flaws, no discrepencies and alot of good solid reasoning. It is a practical religion. If us as people are incompetent and can't follow our religion then its our fault, not our religions.
I as a person require answers, the buddist religion only provides moral guidelines within which to live, the inevitable questions of creation and life after death are not answered by the Buddha, therefore I am not buddist. There are no active laws which to follow and it really doesnt follow through logically.
But if in your superior knowledge, you know best then please stay happy in that belief and don't let me upset you.
And I doubt that religion is a fantasy, the proof that the Koran (bible) gives through science alone dispells that. DNA, my friend did not appear through default and as for the universe...in the begining there was nothing...and then it exploded...???
In that case how do you know that you too are not a dream in yourself?? In which case...whose dream are you???
Sorry its a bit long!!And probably doesnt make sense!!
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*Originally posted by hiccup: *
What gets to me is the hipocrasy of religion. This we are right and you are wrong attitude. But the ironic thing is that without it there is no religion. If you do not believe that what you follow is divine then are you a true believer? And the funnier thing, the insecurity of those who get offended when others think they are wrong. Frankly if we're so sure we're right then we should stay silent in our superiority and up on our petistle, and stay happy in the belief that actually, its us, not them thats right....
Personally, I don't understand Buddism and I've been studying it for three years. I believe in Islam, not through default but through active choice, there are no flaws, no discrepencies and alot of good solid reasoning. It is a practical religion. If us as people are incompetent and can't follow our religion then its our fault, not our religions.
I as a person require answers, the buddist religion only provides moral guidelines within which to live, the inevitable questions of creation and life after death are not answered by the Buddha, therefore I am not buddist. There are no active laws which to follow and it really doesnt follow through logically.
But if in your superior knowledge, you know best then please stay happy in that belief and don't let me upset you.
And I doubt that religion is a fantasy, the proof that the Koran (bible) gives through science alone dispells that. DNA, my friend did not appear through default and as for the universe...in the begining there was nothing...and then it exploded...???
In that case how do you know that you too are not a dream in yourself?? In which case...whose dream are you???
Sorry its a bit long!!And probably doesnt make sense!!
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so why religious people attack circus if they are most rational
with highest iq because of faith alone?
They attacked a circus??
Why did noone tell me??? I wanted to come!!Imagine…
And who the hell said that the attacking of a circus was an act of religious extremists?Perhaps they just hated the ring master? What if they were animal right activists? MAybe it was all a dream…
And even if it was-noone linked religion with IQ, not even moi. Therefore I suggest you re-read what I said. I said the ISLAMIC RELIGION was all rational and all good. not all its people. I even said that it was our incompetance as muslims that we could not live up to the religion. And why is it that only muslims are seen as religious? there are wayyy too many flaws in that little argument of yours for me to go into.
And how did you come to the conclusion that a persons religion was any indication of their IQ. I know idiots from all faiths of the world. And please tell me more about this circus, I have been a bit bored of late…
It is discussed so many times, how much peacefull islam is (no Sarcasm).I just want to know what people think about Budhism.
Because in my view it is such a low profile religon. but it has quite large following.
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Buddhism was a divinely revealed religiona and Buddha was a prophet..
The writings on Stupas, the stone inscriptions done by King Ashoke, which are sayings of Buddha..
“‘Much longing after the things (of this life) is a disobedience, I again declare; not less so is the laborious ambition of dominion by a prince who would be a propitiator of heaven. Confess and believe in God (Is’ana) who is the worthy object of obedience. For equal to this (belief), I declare unto you, ye shall not find such a means of propitiating heaven. Oh strive ye to obtain this inestimable treasure.’”
'Thus spake Devanampiya Piyadasi: “Wherefore from this very hour, I have caused religious discourses to be preached, I have appointed religious observances that mankind, having listened thereto, shall be brought to follow in the right path, and give glory to God* (Is’ana).”
on death, Buddha said;
‘Assuredly I shall go to the immovable, the unshakeable, the likeness of which does not exist anywhere. I have no doubt about this. Thus consider me to be one whose mind is so disposed.’
Reference: LE BON, G., GUIMET, E. (1992) Mirages Indiens:de Ceylan au Népal, 1876–1886. Chantal Edel et R. Sctrick, Paris, p.241
Taken from Revelation and Rationality, Knowldege and Truth.
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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
The Buddha's most celebrated dictum is: "Hostility is never
conquered by hostility in this world; hostility is conquered by
love. That is the eternal law." Again, he says: "Surmount hatred
by not hating, surmount evil with good; surmount greed through
generosity, surmount lies with truth; speak what is true, do not
succumb to anger, give when you are asked." Compare this with
Jesus's advice in the New Testament: "... love your enemies, do
good and without expecting anything in return. Your reward will be
great, and you will be children of God."
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There are not more noble or divine aspirations for mankind to strive for than these thoughts expressed through 2 of God's messengers.
