Conversion back to Hinduism

[horror]

Re: Conversion back to Hinduism

Maybe i am going to embrace Islam in near future. But i donot have any plan to convert back to christianity never ever. Now a days i am studying Islam.

[yo_wasim]

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@horror

Maybe i am going to embrace Islam in near future. But i donot have any plan to convert back to christianity never ever. Now a days i am studying Islam.

Is this true,

May Allaah guide to the right path, and give you full knowledge to discern from the truth and falsehood.
Ameen wa Rabil Alameen.

[Daniyal]

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Who cares who believes in what. Religion doesn't play any part in my life. But I do respect others beliefs, if it works for you (what ever you believe in).. good luck to you. My moto: "ALL RIVERS LEAD TO THE SEA!"

[horror]

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@Daniyal

Who cares who believes in what. Religion doesn’t play any part in my life. But I do respect others beliefs, if it works for you (what ever you believe in).. good luck to you. My moto: “ALL RIVERS LEAD TO THE SEA!”

But my river is becoming dry this will not be able to lead us to sea.

[Daniyal]

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Horror: if you follow the river bed you will find it! For those who are more concerned about others beliefs and actions more than their own usually don't find it even if it is flowing!

[nstar777]

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most of the muslim population lives on charity from non-muslims.

Which planet r u from? Most of the freaking world exploits and underpays precious muslim resources. Your financial system would collapse if the Arab money is withdrawn from the western banks.

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[nstar777]

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@desidudecool

guy is an apostate and apostasy in punishable by death in Islam.DR. Zakir Naik should have him arrested and then kill him,he would'nt be a true muslims if he did'nt do that...ofcourse he would have to go to jail for that cause its an indian muslim we are talking about here, and for that reason he would'nt do it which proves that he is not a true muslim.

You r assuming a lot of things here. Why is it only Dr. Naik's responsibility and not of other muslims????

[anjjan]

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@nstar777

most of the muslim population lives on charity from non-muslims.

Which planet r u from? Most of the freaking world exploits and underpays precious muslim resources. Your financial system would collapse if the Arab money is withdrawn from the western banks.

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Tremendous challange! Why do;nt you ask your Arabs to withdraw their money from western banks.

[Babuji]

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@nstar777

most of the muslim population lives on charity from non-muslims.

Which planet r u from? Most of the freaking world exploits and underpays precious muslim resources. Your financial system would collapse if the Arab money is withdrawn from the western banks.

Aren't muslims not allowed to earn interest ? If the Arabs invest their money in western banks and earn interest, then they are not muslims :)

[Sadiyah]

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@Babuji

Aren't muslims not allowed to earn interest ? If the Arabs invest their money in western banks and earn interest, then they are not muslims :)

So those taking interest on their investments aren't sinning, but are now completely thrown out of the fold of Islam.

This is interesting. Please backup your claim.

[_umair]

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@Babuji

Aren't muslims not allowed to earn interest ? If the Arabs invest their money in western banks and earn interest, then they are not muslims :)

Taking interest puts you in war with Allah but does not throw you out of the fold of Islam. There is only a few set of things which can take you out of Islam.

The Arabs I know of who have invested big time in Western "Economies" and not banks include Prince Talal of Saudi. I work in the Finance Industry and in order to cater the needs of "Muslim/Arab" Investors there is something known as Dow Jones Islamic Indices. These Indices are comprised of group of companies considered to be okay to invest in, based on Islamic cirteria(no alcohol business,interest,gambling e.t.c). There are couple of Hedge Funds I know who invest for these Muslims investors on the Wall Street. These investments are mainly in Companies and their "stocks" in easiers words. It is a primitive understanding to equal "investment" to saving money in a bank and earning interest on that.

That deal yields relatively lower return anyways since your money simply sits there where as in Stocks you can make much more. Again, I am not saying there aren't muslims who do not deal with interest.

[justahumane]

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@Sadiyah

So those taking interest on their investments aren't sinning, but are now completely thrown out of the fold of Islam.

This is interesting. Please backup your claim.

Sister although there must not be anything to backup such claim, but its simple logic that those who are at war with ALLAH are not supposed to be muslims but among kuffar, mushrikeen, fasiqeen, or munafiqeen. And I think that none comes into fold of islam, do u differ?

BTW I wonder how many muslims devour pork.

Thanks

[Sadiyah]

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@justahumane

Sister although there must not be anything to backup such claim, but its simple logic that those who are at war with ALLAH are not supposed to be muslims but among kuffar, mushrikeen, fasiqeen, or munafiqeen. And I think that none comes into fold of islam, do u differ?

BTW I wonder how many muslims devour pork.

Thanks

So now it's alright to throw people out of Islam without evidence? That's a first. Given that we're all humans, we tend to make mistakes and sin. I didn't know we can randomly start throwing people out of the fold of Islam.

[justahumane]

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@Sadiyah

So now it's alright to throw people out of Islam without evidence? That's a first. Given that we're all humans, we tend to make mistakes and sin. I didn't know we can randomly start throwing people out of the fold of Islam.

There is no questions of throwing anyone out of islam, nor I think anyone can do this. But we are free to asssume one who is daily having pork sandwithch in his breakfast and la ter pork curry in his lunch and dinner is not supposed to be a muslim. There is no restriction on assumptions, that was my point, I hope this time I m able to make u understand sister.

[Babuji]

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@Sadiyah

So those taking interest on their investments aren't sinning, but are now completely thrown out of the fold of Islam.

This is interesting. Please backup your claim.

Its a question to all the muslims on this thread in response to Nstar777's claim, and not an independent claim. Now, how about an answer ??

[system]

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@justahumane

There is no questions of throwing anyone out of islam, nor I think anyone can do this. But we are free to asssume one who is daily having pork sandwithch in his breakfast and la ter pork curry in his lunch and dinner is not supposed to be a muslim. There is no restriction on assumptions, that was my point, I hope this time I m able to make u understand sister.

This is exactly what happens when someone doesn't know about a topic and pretends to know.

First of all, a Muslim can be a Fasiq. Secondly, sins generally do not throw a person out of Islam. The only sin that definitely throws someone out of Islam is shirk akbar. Thirdly, committing kufr and being a kafir are two different things.

You are saying that sinning implies kufr. This is the methodology of the Khawarij.

And it also depends on the intention of the person. If I eat pork regularly, but I know that it is haraam and I know that I am sinning then I am a Fasiq, I am not a good Muslim but I am still a Muslim, one who sins a lot.
On the other hand, if I think that pork is halaal knowing that this is going against the Quran then I have committed kufr and I CAN become a kafir on that basis.

[yo_wasim]

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@sherafghan

This is exactly what happens when someone doesn't know about a topic and pretends to know.

First of all, a Muslim can be a Fasiq. Secondly, sins generally do not throw a person out of Islam. The only sin that definitely throws someone out of Islam is shirk akbar. Thirdly, committing kufr and being a kafir are two different things.

You are saying that sinning implies kufr. This is the methodology of the Khawarij.

And it also depends on the intention of the person. If I eat pork regularly, but I know that it is haraam and I know that I am sinning then I am a Fasiq, I am not a good Muslim but I am still a Muslim, one who sins a lot. On the other hand, if I think that pork is halaal knowing that this is going against the Quran then I have committed kufr and I CAN become a kafir on that basis.

Well said. JazakAllaah Khair.

[Sadiyah]

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@Babuji

Its a question to all the muslims on this thread in response to Nstar777's claim, and not an independent claim. Now, how about an answer ??

There were two parts to your post.

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Aren't muslims not allowed to earn interest ?
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Yes, Muslims are not allowed to earn interest. It's forbidden in Islam. Having said that, not every sin throws one out of the fold of Islam.

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If the Arabs invest their money in western banks and earn interest, then they are not muslims :)
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Now you've got to provide evidence for this half of your post. Earning or dealing with interest is a sin. However, I've yet to come across anything that says it throws them out of Islam. Given that you're the one who stated that since "Arabs invest money in western banks and earn interest, THEN they are not Muslims," the onus is now on you to provide reference to this claim of yours.

[USResident]

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Sr. Sadiyah, Babuji is a non-muslim.

[ssingh]

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@Sadiyah

Yes, Muslims are not allowed to earn interest. It's forbidden in Islam. Having said that, not every sin throws one out of the fold of Islam.

Sorry for interrupting, it may not say that you will be throne out of the fold of islam, but on the day of judgement, this could be used as a parameter to judge, is it not?.