Conversion back to Hinduism

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Re: Conversion back to Hinduism

@justahumane

Thanks for ur response brother.

Your welcome. No problem at all.

@justahumane

Allow me to take strong exception of ur above comment. What U have told easily is just a lie, and my ALLAH knows that. U can browse through my other posts in this forum. I have quoted verses from holy quran several times but not a single time to defame Islam. Nor this time I quoted these verses to defame Islam. Its just to share my point of views with U guys. After all we are not at war but its just a discussion which is going on in best possible way.

You misunderstood mu comment. I meant that the material you presented has probably been extracted from such websites, which have been created with the intention to defame Islam. I did not say that you are trying to defame Islam. If it sounded as such then let me clarify that is not what I meant.

@justahumane

Further I agree with U and already know that holy quran was revealed to holy prophet in different circumstances. And these verses were revealed when mushriks of mecca were at war with the holy prophet. But what U are forgetting that holy quran is not time bound and its verses are still relevent as commands of ALLAH. All verses are laws for a muslim and he must not transgress that. If u have a different opinion than plz let me know.

The guidance of the Quran is time bound and so are the verses however you have have understand what kind of guidance the verse is providing. The verses that have to do with our Aqidah are to be taken literally whereas others are circumstantial and they should be understood in the context of their revelation. Yes, a muslim should not transgress the verses however that did not refute the point I made. You are going on a different tangent here. I spoke of verses which require us to be just and honest towards a non-muslim and you kept silent about that bringing a tangential argument.

@justahumane

*Brother what seems most objectionable to me in holy quran is its genralization of communities. Today christians and muslims are at war, hindus and muslims are at war, jews and muslims are at war, but can we genralize things to the extent that reflects that the whole community is at war together? Than how can I visit my muslim friend and stay with his family for weeks like I do??? And vice versa???

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Muslims are bothers to one another because the purpose of our life is the same. When someone fights against your cause them whoever is loyal to that cause is an enemy to such a person. I don't think that is complicated. Take NATO for instance, an attack on any one NATO country is considered an attack on all NATO countries. Same concept. NATO countries are bound by their NATO alliance whereas muslims are bound by a common faith (if you would ignore all the factions for now). Its the commonality of purpose, which brings about alliance. Allah SWT will not judge us based on our NATO, UN, OIC or SAARC membership but we will be judged based on our faith towards Allah SWT. If Allah SWT is going to view us as entities based on our faith towards him then it only makes most sense to group ourselves as such. Ummah is a union of likes. Ummah is not exclusive to muslims, it can be used for other entities as well and it has been in the Quran. Remember war is at state level not personal level. An act of war is commited by a state not a person. The only difference today is that muslims do group as an Ummah governed by one state. They have their own states and this is a source of divison among us.

@justahumane

*We have seen riots happening in India, two communities seems to be thirsty for blood of each other, still we can see several instances of muslims saving lives and property of hindus and hindus doing same to their counterparts?? Were ppls somewhat different in quranic period?? If yes than how can holy quran be relevent for today's ppls who are entirely different from the ppls it was originally meant for??? there may be several questions popping out in this simple debate and they will come out later on, and U will be obiliged to answer them all. lets wait for ur answer for questions posed so far.

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Show me what you intend to invalidate from the Quran through this example and I will answer it.

@justahumane

*Brother permit me to say that above quote of urs is not in line of islamic belief. I can never try to convince U about my belief if I m a christian a jew or a mushrik. U are not even supposed to listen to me. And nowhere in the world U can find a non muslim country where U are not allowed to propogate teaching of Islam, while there is only a single country on world map which can be termed as Islamic nation being the only shariyah abiding nation. Thats * *Saudi Arab. how much intolrant and oppressing are its policies towards non muslims in terms of religion is very much evident. Now why we shold not believe that its in accordance with the teaching of Islam??? *

Thanks.

I have not come across any such thing. How can I convince you if I am not ready to hear your point of view. Quran tells us to preach with wisdom, and that is not possible without hearing the other point of view. Every prophet asked questions about the faith that they were opposed with to prove what they are saying. Take Prophet Ibrahim AS for instance, he questioned his father about the idols and his people about the idols in order to prove to them that they are wrong. Prophet Moses AS challenged Pharoah in the same realm he found himself superior in i.e. magic. You cannot convince another unless you speak his language. Now as for allowing others to preach their religion in an Islamic country, non-muslims are allowed to have their places of worship and they can preach whatever they preach in those places. This is the point I made earlier, do not do it in a way which causes disharmony in the muslim community. What is the point of an Islamic state if we are not bound by Islam in it. What you say is exemplary of a secular state. I'm sure you can comprehend Sir, that a secular state is not the same as an Islamic state. Why would someone create an Islamic state to live by secular laws? Similarly why would anyone create a secular state if they wanted to live by a religous code.

Saudi policies not doubt are somewhat demented, I don't disagree there. They are equally prejudiced with muslims as well. If you move around among Arabs you would know how much disdain they have for Saudis leave alone non-muslims. I think Saudi Arabia is less Shariah compliant, its just more in our perception because of the historical and Islamic significance of that place in our religion. The land of Saudi Arabia is sacred to us for granted because of our history there. I think most of the Islamic air over there persists because of the sanctity of that place for muslims and less because of the State policy.