Contributions of "Urdu Speaking People" in the early years of Pakistan

We are seeing a lot of threads lumping USPs into one giant blob of hate-monger prejudiced group.

This may look like so especially after the appearance of the despicable fascist organization like MQM.

However we must not forget that like any community, USPs do have good and the bad apples.

It is also a mistake to mix educated and business elite among the community, with the criminal gangstas of MQM.

Sure it is a fashion among the USP youth to identify with the gun toting criminals, and the telephoning Mesiah from London.

But the realities of 1947 were quite different.

If you all study the early years of Pakistan, you would really appreciate the contributions of the educated and business elite among the USPs.

Here are a few examples of non-political, yet simple and intense hard work of the USP elite.

  1. Wall street of Pakistan
    If it was not for the Parsi, Memon, Gujrati, and bohra communities, Pakistani economy would have collapsed within 2 years.

The credit also goes to the USP elite in the court of Nizam. It was their “lobbying” that convinced Nizam to send over “badly needed millions of rupees/dollars/pounds”.

  1. Universities and colleges
    Many professors from North India like UP and Delhi and from Nizam’s Hyderabad were the prime-movers for the universities in West Pakistan. If it was not for their valiant efforts, Pakistan for the lack of educated elite would have collapsed or at least turned into an Afghanistan.

  2. Bureaucracy.
    Even though the term bureaucrat is sort of a negative term, and for the right reasons, they get all the curse words.

However we must appreciate the positive role of bureaucracy in order to keep the local, regional, and national system running to the extent they are functioning in Pakistan. Ask the primitive tribals in Afghanistan, Somalia, or Liberia. They would love to have the semblance of stability in the government structure even the one that exists in Pakistan.

Do remember though, that back in 1947, there was NO bureaucracy. Everything had to be built form ground up. And USP elite from UP and Nizam’s Hyderabad played a crucial role, without which Pakistan would have collapsed within 2 years.

These few aspects are among the Looooong list of contributions by USP educated and business elite.

While we criticize the MQM fascism (for the right reasons), we must not lump the diamonds with the dirt.

Thank you.

I don't think that's the case at all.
I never consider MQM the Urdu speaking party, i know Urdu speaking people are much better than that. They are very well behaved, god fearing, moderate and yet religious. Altaf uses cards like Muhajir party, punjabi hatered, wadera hater for his own agendas. He does NOT represent Urdu speaking people as they are known for much better things than just being MQM supporters.

When you talk about contribution of Urdu speaking people in the last 60 years, EDUCATION comes tom ind straight away.
As you said, Memons, Gujratis, Borha, Parsis run one of the most successful businesses in Pakistan and that made a HUGE difference.

Re: Contributions of "Urdu Speaking People" in the early years of Pakistan

Good post, Burqa!

I think most Pakistanis are able to differentiate between the Urdu speakers and the goons of MQM. Without a doubt, migrants from India made lasting contributions to the nascent state of Pakistan and continue to comprise the elite in many sectors of the nation.

We spend far too much team tearing each other apart on senseless issues based on language, ethnicity, and sect that we forget that these issues are taking our time and energies from building a better Pakistan for all.

Re: Contributions of "Urdu Speaking People" in the early years of Pakistan

Lets not indulge into what language-speaking-people did what for the country, IMO. To me, everyone is Pakistani and if anyone did it for the country he must be appreciated and if anyone does bad he must be criticised regardless of his political/ethnic/religious affiliations.

Except these silly statements........ nicely written post.

Re: Contributions of "Urdu Speaking People" in the early years of Pakistan

Thank You burqa for opening this thread, i whole heartedly agree that there were a lot of migrants whose contributions were instrumental in development of Pakistan.

But the logic of burqa is proved wrong when majority of muhajir always give vote to mqm. In a way they think AH is their savior and messiah. Not condemning the terrorist policies of mqm and its don of London by muhajir openly, depict a different scenario what burqa is portraying here.

You give MQM too much credit. Not all urdu speaking citizens vote for MQM, although the party makes it seem like that.

All is not what it seems.

On the topic, absolutely the migrants have played a huge role in prosperity and creation of Pakistan that cannot be summed up in words.

That was their responsibility and they fulfilled it beyond expectations. Now it is our time to do our bit and work unanimously for the better of Pakistan and ensure that it thrives as a nation, and becomes an example for other aspiring nations.

i am amazed at your knowledge and histroy...

although i cant deny the contributions but your accoutn is exxagerated...
historically memons, gujratis, agha khanis, bohris were part of sindh and karachi long before partition..
specially memons you would find memon language close to sindhi language and sindh historically has link with indian gujrat via ran of kutch..thats why they are called kutchi memon, also aga khanis , bohris and parsis were part of the city.

now if someone says there was no functioning govt then please look at khi pre partition you would get the answer...
if someone says there was no educational institution here please go through alumni of colleges that time and also proceeding of then sindh assembly you would find people like khuro, GM Syed etc.
it was just for university grade people had to travel to bombay i guess and at that time how many were in whole india.

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The credit also goes to the USP elite in the court of Nizam. It was their "lobbying" that convinced Nizam to send over "badly needed millions of rupees/dollars/pounds".

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is he the same nizam who used to have trucks loaded with gold in his backyard and you are saying he donated money you must be wrong...please send me the link or quote something...
if that was the one he was such a nut and kanjoos and murdar i would pray atleast 10 nafils if he had donated money to pakistan....

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  1. Universities and colleges Many professors from North India like UP and Delhi and from Nizam's Hyderabad were the prime-movers for the universities in West Pakistan. If it was not for their valiant efforts, Pakistan for the lack of educated elite would have collapsed or at least turned into an Afghanistan. [/quote] again wrong pakistan had functional and very robust education system, my uncle who had done 10th grade at that time but is much better than todays masters, in literature, math (he doesnt use calculator , in intellect etc...

now problem happens when someone try to give over credit or put unnecessary blame on someone, going through your post it seems people of that time used to live in Caves....

although literacy rate was lower but that was what it was in whole india i mean go to india even now and unfortunately least privileged and educated are the muslims.

there is no denying that urdu speaking brothers and sisters had alot of contribution but what you had wrote its extent is grossly exaggerated...

problem here is lack of understanding and time at that time every thing was agri based, industrialization limited to port cities or selected cities others were agri based.

in coercion

Re: Contributions of "Urdu Speaking People" in the early years of Pakistan

Junaid

At time of partition we did not have much in terms of education. The only university in Pakistan was university of Punjab. Sindh assembly was first to act towards establishment of new university and they started preparations for Sindh university in Karachi, however, it was later shifted by Liaqat Ali Khan to Hyderabad and Karachi university was instead launched in karachi.

How wrong was that action will never be accepted by people like burqa or khekshan. These earlier urdu people were responsible for present day hatred and racism.

These intelactuals sowed seeds of hatred, prejudices, racism which ultimately shaped up as evil of mqm, now biting the a$$e$ of those who created them. I am sorry I don't see any positive contribution to racial harmony in Sindh. Had they been so good as burqa was saying there would have been minimum hatred and racism based on language, culture, and sect.

I think you're mixing up opportunists who take advantage of society's weak points and present themselves as the "solution" in the shape of an organization or a political party with those who may have been duped into becoming complicit knowingly or unknowingly. Such is the case with the mentioned political party.

As far as people are concerned, it is extremely dilusional and dishonest to say that the early migrants (specifically urdu speaking immigrants) are the core cause of all the issues we face today. That is simply not true. We are where we are today due to collective errors made by the preceeding Govts./Dictators post 1947. You have to realize that the founders of Pakistan did not live long to give the nation a definitive direction, and some rather incompetent people have overtime come to fill the gap whenever the opportunity arose.

That not only resulted in a stalled state of affairs, but denail of pursuit to change some of lingering policies that are still seen as the cause of problems in Pakistani society today.

It is condemn-worthy and wrong to blame any one group of people for the ills of the entire society based on their ethnicity/origin. We're all in it collectively. Some did good for the nation, some did bad for the nation, some didn't do anything because they didn't know what to do.

Lets not polarize the issue and give air to animosity against one group of people because that is just outright false.

you may be right but please tell me how many universities were there in whole india at that time?

please dont mix up university with education.
that is another thing literacy rate was low no doubt but if someone tell me that it was higher in our brothers who migrated would be injustice to the histroy...
please go through the figures in current india and you would know and specially in those times education in muslims was at lowest point due to khilafat movement and no english movements by our thick head ulemas if people like sir syed werent there we would have been dead already.

there was great amount of education for everyone in british india in those time the ones who wanted to study, frankly i had seen the institutions go to dust in current times where my fathers uncles studied and these days they are worst almost finished.

you are mixing the times in those times university access was a privilege as i wrote before and people used to go to bombay from sindh for university.
and whatever happened afterwards was done by govt not just a single community.
i am not against any community frankly but giving undue or overweighed credit are the reasons why we have disharmony...
whatever we have today worst or best is because of all of us, if we werent like that we wouldnt have what we have whether its good or worst.

what were you doing when seeds were sown , watering them.
they had great contributions no doubt...
please dont spoil the topic.

Re: Contributions of "Urdu Speaking People" in the early years of Pakistan

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Do any of you even know how strong the presence of memon/gujarti speakers is in the MQM? The party started as a party of mohajirs from india, not of urdu speaking this and that. Today it is even bigger than that, as even pashtuns, balochs and sindhis are members of MQM.

The Urdu speaking community got the biggest advantage over the rest of the population of Pakistan - By imposing URDU as the National Language of Pakistan.

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^truly it was not imposed on anyone. I feel that was the best decision taken by our govt and i am from punjab.

Maybe it's the first time ever but unknowingly you have given HUGE credit to Punjabis for not joining the THUG party.

claps Bravo! you guys are fighting MQM's case brilliantly.

Lets talk about some myths here, It may come to you guys as surprise that MQM strongest hold is HYDERABAD, not Karachi. In Hyderabad even during the 92 operation, MQM suffered no setbacks nor there any fraction like HAQIQI group surfaced. Also MQM's posture in Hyderabad is somewhat different from what we see in Karachi. Wonder why? Reason is that people support them for same reasons in these two cities, but MQM handles them differently. In Karachi it’s about controlling the resources and in Hyderabad it’s purely about ETHNICITY and survival.

Now the myths about Urdu speaking elite suppressed other ethnicities. Since this thread is the by-product of thread about MQM, I will talk about Sindh only as MQM grew ONLY in Sindh.

Myth 1 USP deprived other ethnicities of education.

DD in other thread again and again mentioned Sindh University and urban & rural Sindh. What we actually know about their history? Apart from what we find on Wiki Pages.
Sindh University has only one campus in HYDERABAD, Elsa Qazi campus for B.Ed and M.Ed courses. The main Campus is in District Jamshoro, formerly part of District Dadu. Supposedly Hyderabad has 4 universities but in reality NONE of them is in HYDERABAD. No doubt Sindh University was the 1st university in Sindh, but till late 60's it was more like a post graduate centre for training academic professionals. It grew to a proper university when it was moved to Jamshoro. let me remind you Hyderabad was Sindh's capital up until Islamabad was declared country’s new capital. After introduction of quota system, residents of Hyderabad were effectively sidelined; despite having 3 major universities on city’s crown, they had/have no proportional access to these institutions. Dadu city which is about 170 kms away from these institutions has more quota than all of Hyderabad.
Till 90's Karachi had only 2 universities, and again Karachites had only 40% share in those (shared with URBAN Sindh).

Now about the myth, let’s suppose USP DID deprive other ethnicities, then why they didn’t bother to equip their next generations with better higher education? knowing very well that only the better education will help them to control “civil Burocracy” in the long run? If they had unchallenged control over country’s resources then I think they did a terrible job by not trying to sustain that control.

Myth 2 USP were not well educated (relatively speaking)

Again not true because if that was not the case then how they managed to acquire key civil posts, which allegedly gave them control over country’s resources and “influence” for more than a decade? It doesn’t mean other ethnic groups were less educated, but it’s a fact that proportionally within ethnic group USPP had higher literacy rate.

Myth 3 Liaquat Ali Khan “IMPORTED” immigrants to Karachi.

Again baseless accusation. Karachi was country’s capital that time, and country needed experienced staff to run day to day state business. The locals were not in great numbers in government departs and void had to be filled. These immigrants filled that void, and since Karachi was state’s capital it was logical for them to settle in Karachi. Decade later when LOCALS did start taking interest in Government jobs, the balance shifted towards them; Which was bound to happen.

Myth 4 Immigrants financial contribution is exaggerated.

A quick check on industry prior to Bhutto’s nationalisation program will reveal the truth. All major industry and businesses were held by these Memon and Gujrati immigrants. The new wealth started coming to Industry in late 60’s and then it flourished in Zia’s tenure. Also for those Gujrati and memon immigrants who migrated to Pakistan, Karachi was their natural choice for Karachi being the financial capital of country. The city had/has more business opportunities than any other city in Pakistan. In 80’s when heavy industry was MIGRATING from Sindh to Faisalabad and Gujrat, these immigrant memon and gujrati bijness community kept city’s economy intact. In 80’s Sindhi speaking industrialists also started coming into picture. Speaking of media, till mid 90s USP owned major media groups but it changed. Sindhi speaking groups like KAWISH also realised importance of media and now they are growing in numbers. But there is no denial that Jang group was/is the largest media outlet there. ARY which is Dubai based is also owned by memon immigrant family. List is long.

Myth contribution of Nizam daccan

Who you think paid for government expenditures in early months of Independence when British and Indian Government were delaying funds for the State? It’s a part of history and there should be no denial about it. They were also robbed of independence like Kashmir and Junagarh. Infact it was operation polo by British forces which crushed Hyderabad resistance and hand it over to India. (at least in Kashmir Indian forces bothered to advance their forces)

Myth Ethnic hatred was only demonstrated by USP.

Whoever believes in this crap either lives in la la land, or recently woke up from a long sleep or never set a foot in Pakistan (going to holidays doesn’t count).
Care to explain why most textile mills and other Industry from interior Sindh moved to Faisalabad in 80’s? Also why there were slogans like “bihari na khappai” “sar sain jo, vote Benazir jo” (When Benazir came back to Pakistan for the 1st time after exile) and slogans about pushing MAKArDs (Sindhi word for insect) into sea. Also what happened with those retired Punjabi speaking army officers and to their agriculture land in interior Sindh? Why many of them sold that land and moved to either Karachi or Lahore? And what was the percentage of Punjabi/Pushto/Baloch speaking students in universities and medical colleges in interior Sindh. If something is not on Wiki pages, it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. There are no articles on internet about the birth of some bigots, but they do exist in every ethnicity.

In Sindh it is very different now; there is still a long way to go, but at least USP and Sindhi brothers have realised that they both are a reality and they are together in this mess.
Ethnic bigotry is the 2nd most dangerous threat to Pakistani society, Religious extremism being the 1st. We can’t brush it under the carpet saying that only a certain group is in paranoia. It takes two to tango, and in this case five. Every ethnic group has demonstrated this at some stage. MQM has become the largest armed group in Karachi just because of their sheer numbers and available resources after the Afghan war. Where all that latest weapons come from? Via direct flight from Delhi or they buy them from weapon smugglers operating in FATA.

1st step for a solution to a problem is acknowledging the problem. Until we acknowledge that this problem does exit among our ethnic groups, we can’t eliminate it and groups like MQM will flourish. Holding responsible only one group will only worsen the situation.