Congratulations Pakistan and residents of Kyber Pakhtunkhwa

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I am too surprised what was the reason of adding Khyber.

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Khyber is a unique Valley and has a History in Pakhtunkhawa-Indo-Aryans migrated to India through Khyber Pass. Alexander the Great, Mughul, and British, they all used that famous valley for their Military adventures. It also connects LAR AWO BAR pakhtuns.
Comparing it with other pakhtunkhawa valleys or area like Swat, Bunker, Bann and Waziristan will be unjust. Khyber Gate has been used as Land mark for NWFP from last sixty plus years
Not to forget a famous Bazaar in Peshawar-Khyber Bazaar and a provincial Bank-Khyber Bank

And may be it is a tactical decision to merge Tribal belt in KP.

Nooo Marwata roar ka deer khafa vee mong tah khapala nama wapas rakii. Mong beh yee bia khapali sobi tah ki dooo.

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Re: Congratulations Pakistan and residents of Kyber Pakhtunkhwa

Congratulations to all Pakhtoons from me as well.
Sorry to see the دم چھلا of "Khyber" attached to the name.
Punjab can have non-Punjabis living there. Sindh can have non-Sindhis living there. Balochistan can have non-Baloch living there. Then why would non-Pakhtoons in that province complain?
It makes absolutely no sense to me.

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That's NOT th answer of my question. Maybe i am too ignorant and can't really understand how the word Khyber is of any siginificance to Punjab and Punjabis????

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For me just khyber or only Pakhtoonkhwa would have been much better, and i guess many people will use one word only i guess only Pakhtoonkhwa, much logical and based on same lines Pakhtoon from Pakhtoonkhwa. Khyber and khyberis doesnt go well and un real as well.
if inclusion of Hazara was required, Hazara Pakhtoonkhwa should have been used.

khyber is one pass that is part of past NWFP and goes through many FATA areas.

now its step in right direction, and "hatdharmi of NAwaz shareef" let his stupidity put into this matter may be only to please his son in law! but not quite right they didnt want khyber at all.

greetings to all people of Khyber Phakhtoonkhwa

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The region has had no names before so making a new one was always going to be difficult. NWFPs minorities are as native and in some cases more native than some of the Pakhtun tribes. 100 years ago Hindko for example was far more widespread.

One of the core parties that was involved in the renaming ANP is not liked by the non-Pakhtuns of the former NWFP because they keep going on about exploitation of Pakhtuns even though there are non-Pakhtun members. People from Hazara claim the Terbela Dam as theirs! They believe tehy should get maximum benfit from it as opposed to far away places in NWFP. The ANP does nt do much for non-pakhtun areas or even the south of Kohat belt.

Punjab and Sindhs names come from rivers so its never really been an ethnic name. Balochistan was made by the Brits and Pashtun nationalists dont actually accept the current provicial boundary.

The provinces need to be cut up even more so people stop using them as clubs to batter one another.

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Why they don't start a movement for a separate province.

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So who cares if they added Kyber to the name...

Some people just want to make controversy and debate issues just for the sake of argument...

So anyone who has a problem with the new name STILL, needs to get over it ... And get a life. You got the Pakhtun part in there, so be happy with what you got.

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In an age of modern slavery most people from Pakistan dot have time for such movements. Those that are working work long hours, they worry baout food on their table, they worry about their babies in the sweltering heat when electricity goes etc.

There are far bigger priorities.

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I heard Seraikis supporting a movement for a province of their own, but who is listening?

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After having read many of your messages, you might be surprised that our views are closer on most issues except for this matter.

The region has had no names before so making a new one was always going to be difficult. NWFPs minorities are as native and in some cases more native than some of the Pakhtun tribes. 100 years ago Hindko for example was far more widespread.

The region has always had names depending on who was ruling at that time. From Gandhara, Pakhtunkhwa, NWFP etc. Within the context of an independent Pakistan, the recognition of the majority Pakhtun identity is a requisite for greater harmony within the federation.

As for the language of Hindko, I am not sure how that translates into a minority group? Hindko might be a linguistic minority (25-30% of the provincial population at most) but that does not qualify as an ethnic group because you and I both know that there is a good number of Pakhtun tribes that speak hindko as a language.

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One of the core parties that was involved in the renaming ANP is not liked by the non-Pakhtuns of the former NWFP because they keep going on about exploitation of Pakhtuns even though there are non-Pakhtun members. People from Hazara claim the Terbela Dam as theirs! They believe tehy should get maximum benfit from it as opposed to far away places in NWFP. The ANP does nt do much for non-pakhtun areas or even the south of Kohat belt.

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I can understand that. However bear in mind that the name change issue is not an ANP issue but one that enjoys support from the majority of the province. So this was not some type of irredentialist cause but rather a change from a ridiculous name (NWFP).

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Punjab and Sindhs names come from rivers so its never really been an ethnic name. Balochistan was made by the Brits and Pashtun nationalists dont actually accept the current provicial boundary.

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Punjab and Sindh might be named after rivers but they also have very strong ethnic connotations. Ask anyone in the world, what is a Punjabi and I doubt that most will talk about the 5 rivers. Same applies to the word India - it is an artificial creation, but has now become associated with Bharat.

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The provinces need to be cut up even more so people stop using them as clubs to batter one another.**

I don't think so. The name change is good. Let's move on towards bring economic development for the people of Pakhtunkhwa , for all Pakhtun and non-Pakhtun residents alike.

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Re: Congratulations Pakistan and residents of Kyber Pakhtunkhwa

40 Pakistani killed in a blast in Temargarah Lower Dir where ANP was celebrating the new name of NWFP.
Three blasts also in Peshawar where many killed and injured.

         [Lower Dir: 40 killed, over 100 hurt as bomber hit ANP  rally](http://www.dunyanews.tv/main_category_eng.php?nid=12120&catid=2&flag=d)
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As much as the you hate NWFP because its colonial should nt you hate the provincial system even more because it is colonial and it is a chief reason why some areas of certain provinces are more developed than others? Do you think whoever is in charge of NWFP will bother about places such as Chitral and Kohistan?

Provincialists argue that the most populated province Punjab exploits the other provinces. There may be quite an element of truth in that BUT at the same time in this current provincial set up more developed and more populated areas such as the Peshawar Valley are ignoring Kohistan.

The current provincial system serves the needs of Pakhtuns, Baloch, Punjabis and Sindhis yet it is the most detrimental thing to the real minorities in the country such as Chitralis, Kohistanis, Hindko speakers, Hindus, Tharris, Kachis, Seraikis, Makranis too name but a few.

They have little political rights, little cultural rights and have very little control over their economic rights.

Your right quite a few Hindko speakers are of Pakhtun ancestry but I doubt many support the Pakhtu-isation of what was formely known as NWFP*. You also forget one thing - not every Pashtu speaker in NWFP is an actually Pakthun. Some do belong to Hindko speaking back grounds too who lost their language because of changes. Not every Pashtu speaker in NWFP is an actual Pakhtun.*

You do know the next step will be merging Pashtun areas of Balochistan with NWFP although the ANP probably wont support this?

I hve no idea why the Khyber part was satisfactory to non-Pashtuns. Khyber has little to do with the Hindko speakers, Chitralis, Kohistanis and Seraikis. it has always been the symbol of Pakhtuns.

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If I were you I would lobby for changing the name of Hazara Division. The very name Hazara is very insulting just like NWFP was. In pashto Hazara mean people of mixed or undefined ethnicity. It's mean that there are thousand(Hazar) of different nationalities live in that area. This name was given to that region by some ignorant Pashtun ruler. It should be changed to Neelab or Kohistan or something.

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The name Pakhtonkhawa is an insult for the Hazarawals. First that needs to be changed.

Hazara before the invasion of Sikhs was known as "Hazara-Karluk" or "Hazara-Karlugh". According to land revenue records "Report of the land revenue settlement of the Hazara district of the Punjab" By E. G. Wace (1868-1874), you can even now see references to 'Haraza-Karlugh' in land deeds and documents prior to arrival of Sikhs.

This came from the Karluk/Karlugh Turkomans who came with Amir Timur (Tamerlame) to India. Timur also organized his armies in decimal of 10s, Hazara Karlugh comes from the battalion of Karlugh Turkoman soliders. Babur recognized them as Turkic rulers of the area and as his fellow Turk allies and no taxes were imposed on them. Some of the Karlugh assimilated with neighboring Janjua Rajputs (as Janjuas were also allied with Babur's Mughal army) and were incorrectly referred to as Janjuas by the British. During time of Akbar there was a revolt by the Turk Rajas but it was suppressed by the Moghal armies.

Over the years (especially after arrival of Sikhs), the suffix Karlugh was dropped from Hazara-Karlugh and it simply became Hazara.

Safar

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Sikhs are recent arrival. Pashtuns were here long before them. The name Hazara we use in everyday conversation. We refer to people who are mixed and do not belong to a specific tribes. We say in Pashto "Da Hazara dee" meaning that these people are hazara we don't know their ethnicity. The same apply to some people in Afghanistan. Those people are actually mongolian but they are ashamed of that and that's why the pashtun in Afghanistan named them Hazara. I still think Hazara is very insulting we should change the name to Kohistan or Abaseen. We don't need to make in ammendment to the constitution, a simple majority in Pakhtunkhwa assembly is all that we need to change the name.

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Re: Congratulations Pakistan and residents of Kyber Pakhtunkhwa

^^ lapak and Safar

Please quit this talk about ethno-fascism.

We have had enough of that in Afghanistan.

It is a good occasion to celebrate that majority in Sarhad had their wish accepted.

Let's celebrate.

And safar, do not worry. Pakistan may be bad, but we haven't reach the depth of ethno-fascism that exists in Afghanistan.

So let that trash stay on the other side of the border.

And let's embrace (at least virtually) everyone who wants to see Pakistan as a peaceful and progressive country.

Thank you.

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Why is it called Pakhtonkhawa?

Why not Pashtunistan?

And why did they add Khyber infront of it?

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The name Hazara has nothing to do with being no particular race. I think the name came from when was it a Mughal emperor or a Mongol one settled a thousand of his troops there or something as Safar says.

Khyber was added because it was supposed to make it more neutral. Pashtunistan refers to the independence/secessionist tendencies supported by the Kabul Gov in the pre-80s and which appears to be slowly on its way back thanks to the Karzai Gov and its external "allies" based in Afghanistan.

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Bhai,

The name thingy is done done done!

No need to keep on bringing the same old issue out again and again and again.

For 99% residents of KP, or even Pak, it doesn't really matter. There are 1000000 times bigger fish to fry.

So rename and move on.

Otherwise soon we'll be the ditto copy of the Islamist Jahannum of Afghanistan and under the boots of gora soldiers.

Time to wake up and worry about improving KP and Pakistan.