Congratulations Folks

On this auspicious day of 14 August, i would like to wish you all Jashane Azaadi Mubarak (Happy Independence Day). Also I would also like to draw your attention to the fact that Hezbullah, the Party of God, has defeated one of the most powerful army in the mideast (after Hizbullah and Iran).

On 14th AUgust, Seyed Hassan Nasrallah has declared victory over Israel. :hula:

Double Congratz y’all. :slight_smile:

:jhanda:


**Hizbullah leader claims victory
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**Staff and agencies
Monday August 14, 2006
Guardian Unlimited

**The leader of Hizbullah, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, tonight claimed a “strategic and historic victory” over Israel as the first day of a ceasefire in the Middle East crisis brought a seemingly fragile calm following a month of fighting. “We came out victorious in a war in which big Arab armies were defeated [before],” the cleric said.

Sheik Nasrallah insisted now was not the time to debate the disarmament of his guerrilla fighters, a key Israeli requirement of a sustainable ceasefire.

“This is immoral, incorrect and inappropriate,” he said. “It is wrong timing on the psychological and moral level particularly before the ceasefire,” he said in reference to calls from critics for the guerrillas to disarm.

“We are today before a strategic, historic victory, without exaggeration,” he said in a taped speech on Hizbullah’s al-Manar TV.

In a defiant message, Sheik Nasrallah gave the strong impression that he had no intention of ordering his troops to withdraw and declared that the Lebanese army and international troops were “incapable of protecting Lebanon”.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,1844240,00.html

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I am so, so proud of my people, and for all Muslims. :jhanda:

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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/749680.html

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Let the devil take tomorrow

By Moshe Arens

To lead the nation in a war to victory was just too much for them. Too heavy a burden for their narrow shoulders. That trio - Ehud Olmert, Amir Peretz and Tzipi Livni - asked and received a mandate to lead the people of Israel, promising to take our fate into our own hands and unilaterally establish Israel’s borders by evacuating Israelis who live in Judea and Samaria, and turn Israel into a country “in which it will be a pleasure to live.” We do not know and probably will never know if they would have been up to that task, but we now know they are not fit to govern Israel in these trying times.

They had a few days of glory when they still believed that the IAF’s bombing of Lebanon would make short shrift of Hezbollah and bring us victory without pain. But as the war they so grossly mismanaged wore on, as northern Israel received its daily dose of 150-200 rockets, the Galilee was destroyed and burned to the ground, over a million Israelis sat in shelters or abandoned their homes and both civilian and military casualties mounted - gradually the air went out of them. Here and there, they still let off some bellicose declarations, but they started looking for an exit - how to extricate themselves from the turn of events they were obviously incapable of managing. They grasped for straws, and what better straw than the United Nations Security Council. No need to score a military victory over Hezbollah. Let the UN declare a cease-fire, and Olmert, Peretz, and Livni can simply declare victory, whether you believe it or not.

An almost audible sigh of relief could be heard from the Prime Minister’s Office as the negotiations that were supposed to lead to a cease-fire began at the UN. The appropriate rhetoric has already started flying. So what if the whole world sees this diplomatic arrangement - which Israel agreed to while it was still receiving a daily dose of Hezbollah rockets - as a defeat suffered by Israel at the hands of a few thousand Hezbollah fighters? So what if nobody believes that an “emboldened” UNIFIL force will disarm Hezbollah, and that Hezbollah with thousands of rockets still in its arsenal and truly emboldened by this month’s success against the mighty Israel Defense Forces, will now become a partner for peace? Does a cease-fire that will avoid further casualties among the IDF’s soldiers not outweigh these concerns over future events?

Many politicians are notorious for preferring short-term considerations over a long-term view. Examples abound of the dangers of such myopic policies. From Munich in Europe of 1938 that set the stage for World War II, to Oslo in 1993 which brought Arafat and his cohorts from Tunis here, to the disengagement from Gush Katif last year that brought Hamas to power, and Barak’s hasty withdrawal from Lebanon in 2000, which sowed the seeds of the latest intifada and is the root cause of the current war - the rotten fruits of that withdrawal we have been reaping this past month.

The long-term implications of an Israeli agreement to a UN brokered cease-fire at this time are obvious. Israel’s enemies, and they are many, will conclude that Israel does not have the stamina for an extended encounter with terrorism. You do not need tanks and aircraft to defeat Israel - a few thousand rockets are enough. Katyushas today and Qassams tomorrow. Don’t let Olmert, Peretz and Livni fool you: These rockets will keep coming after Israel is seen as not only punished but also defeated in this month-long war.

“Yesterday is dead and tomorrow’s out of sight,” Dean Martin used to sing. Olmert may be humming this song as he agrees to the UN cease-fire resolution, and Peretz and Livni can sing the refrain “let the devil take tomorrow.” But tomorrow will come much sooner than they expect. And it will find Israel with nothing left of its deterrent capability that used to keep its enemies at bay. The war, which according to our leaders was supposed to restore Israel’s deterrent posture, has within one month succeeded in destroying it. That message will not be lost on Hamas, the Syrians and the Iranians, and possibly even some of our Arab neighbors who for many years had forsworn belligerence against Israel.

The task facing Israel now is to restore its deterrent posture and prepare for the attacks that are sure to come. But not with this leadership. They have exhausted whatever little credit they had when they were voted into office.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/749681.html

awww

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It's foolish to say that either Hezbollah or Isreal won. The only thing that's truly clear is that the Lebanese are the ones who lost.

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In the end Israel could not defeat Hizbollah

Peter Beaumont, foreign affairs editor
Sunday August 13, 2006
The Observer

A month of fighting, more than 1,000 dead, upwards of 800,000 Lebanese displaced and $2bn worth of damage - for what? Who wins in this bloody debacle, assuming it is coming to an end? Given the continued fighting, that is still a big assumption. Not Israel, certainly. Even while the authors of this military adventure continue to try to carve out some notion of victory to sell the Israeli public, increasingly fewer people are buying it.
** The likes of deputy Prime Minister Shimon Peres have tried to promote the notion that Israel has got everything it wants out of the war - and from Friday's disgracefully late UN resolution calling for an immediate cessation of violence (on which Israel is still being permitted by the US to drag its feet) - but the reality is that the prosecutors of this war have lost more than they have won.

Whatever Israel does now, it is seriously diminished. In military terms it has been confronted successfully for a second time by the guerillas of Hizbollah. Again and again, its heavily-armoured Merkava tanks have been rocketed to a standstill. All its technology and its large army have been shown lacking the deftness and determination of a vastly smaller force lacking armoured vehicles, bombers and aircraft. Most seriously, its vulnerability to missile attack has been amply demonstrated to any enemy, despite its possession of US anti-missile batteries. Israel has lost one of its most powerful weapons - the psychological sense of its military invulnerability. **

It is something for which Israelis are unlikely to forgive those behind a war which evidence now suggests was being planned long before the kidnap of two Israeli soldiers. Even before the UN resolution was agreed, support for the conflict, though still substantial, was steadily beginning to erode, confronted by a constant stream of casualties from the fighting for little geographical and strategic gain. Indeed, Israel's only major victory thus far was the 'capture' of the largely Christian town of Marjayoun - peopled with its former collaborators with Israel's allies from the South Lebanese Army - a few kilometres across the border.

Instead, in the past two weeks both the Israeli military and its political masters have come under attack for their prosecution of the war. And if one figure now appears most at risk it is Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, a cold fish who tried and failed to be tougher than his mentor, Ariel Sharon. ** For what Israelis have not been slow to notice is that Olmert has signally failed to achieve what he set out to do: destroy Hizbollah. ** The victory being claimed is diffuse and very partial: in securing a UN resolution sort-of-on-its-terms and by reducing (by who knows what amount) Hizbollah's capability. Beyond that Hizbollah has survived largely intact, but pushed back a little further from Israel's border.

Then there are the imponderables. The nature of the Israeli campaign in Lebanon, with its scorched-earth policy designed to drive out local populations, its mendacious claim that it had allowed humanitarian corridors when it had not, its lack of concern for the killing of civilians (and callous explanation that dead civilians should have fled when threatened) has amplified the increasing sense abroad that this is a country which does not care about international law.

Though the world has long demonstrated a habit of forgetting Israel's misdemeanours, this war has dramatised the urgent need for a return to a proper Middle East peace plan, a negotiated process that will be less generous to Israel than its own unilaterally-applied 'convergence' plan. There is a danger too that if America's unconditional support for Israel in this affair damages its wider policy in the Middle East - in Shia-majority Iraq, where there are tens of thousands of US troops, and over Iran - Israel may feel that it squandered a high point in its relationship with Washington for little real advantage.

** So who has won? Not Israel. Certainly not Lebanon or its fragile democracy, the development of both of which will have been pushed back half a decade and more. But what about Hizbollah? What can be said is that, on its own terms, it has not lost. Not yet. It has resisted Israel and thus far at least has survived, which was all it had to achieve. If it continues to survive until an international force is deployed - which seems likely - then the issue of its disarmament will have disappeared again into some vague future. In psychological terms, it can claim that its few fighters have inflicted disproportionate damage on the Israelis for a second time, and put the issue of the Shebaa farms on the negotiating table. **

But the real test for Hizbollah will be applied not by the international community but by Lebanon itself, which must decide if the price it paid for Hizbollah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah to claim bragging rights was far, far too high.

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With the “blame war” breaking out within Israel now, it is clear that the defeat by Hezbollah is a very bitter one indeed.

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Give me a F**(&(&ing break. Israel stated that they will not stop until Hizbollah are disarmed or dead. Well, Hizbollah are armed, and alive and kicking Israeli ass. Poor terrorists ran back over the border with George Bush syndrome in their heads “We won, we won”.

Too funny.

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Victory.

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Defeat.

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Sorry, but why link the two events?
and if that is the case..can I also celebrate the opening of a new grocery store in my area as well?

yaaaaay..

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:jhanda: Long live Pakistan! :jhanda:

Long live Lebanon & Hezbollah

:nook: Death to Israel/US & Allies :nook:

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Nasrallah, only the latest hero in the Arab/Muslim world.

Hizbollah will not attack Israel again, quite a victory for them.

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:hula:

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Pakistani's celebrate victory of Hezbollah over Israel.

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Let us be more specific.

Israel lost.

Here is the way that they have lost:

1) The reputation of their military is now stained.
2) Their current political leadership is now doomed.
3) They have created an enemy with a reputation on their borders which will embolden both Hamas and Hizbullah.
4) They have emboldened both Syria and Iran.
5) The UN is discredited, as we will now have a peace where Hizbullah further flaunts the will of the UN.
6) Islamist and Foreign influence in Lebanon will increase.
7) More kidnappings of soldiers and citizens will be encouraged.
8) Israeli citzens are now genuinely fearful for their existance.
9) Israel is far less likely to strike Iran.

On the other hand.

1) The Israeli military will purge ineffective staff.
2) The next Israeli administration will be much more Right Wing, and any hope of recovering West Bank land is now lost.
3) The Security Fence contruction will accellerate.
4) Israel will engage in a crash program to enhance their military.
5) The Israeli military is already examining tactics that will defeat Hizbullah.
6) A second Hizbullah war is not only possible, but likely, particularly before Hizbullah rearms and remans.
7) Life for most Lebanese will be worse for a decade or more.
8) Future conflicts will now be much more bloody as Israel will not risk a defeat. They will fight with every weapon and soldier available.
9) With Israel less likely to stike Iran, the disarmament of Iran will now fall to the UN. Which of course is unlikely.

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Lovely headline in a leading Brit paper.

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How many other kidnappings of Israeli soldiers/citizens occurred in past?

That could well be considered as Zionists defeat :k: (atleast for now).

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There was another kidnapping in 2002, in which Hizbullah was warned that Israel was restraining itself, and that there would be no next time. Look it up, I have posted Ariels quote at the time.

I fail to see how a nuclear armed Iran is good for the world. More nukes simply means that there is a greater likelihood that nukes will be used. That is the entire theory of non-proliferation.

Dance a little dance if you would like folks, the remainder of this story has yet to be told. Two years from now we will be having this discussion again.