but if mother of girl convert her to any other religion then u will be responsible for her on hashr......
How did u get to this conclusion.
How is that even relevant.
Re: confused!!!
if u want to air urself in international media trust me.....
u will be on BBC,CNN and all other channels and news paper inform german embassy and call press conf after release of girl....
but if mother of girl convert her to any other religion then u will be responsible for her on hashr......
well i dont want to air myself any where, how did you got this impression that i want to be on channels?
Re: confused!!!
well i dont want to air myself any where, how did you got this impression that i want to be on channels?
i said if u want to u can....
i did not say u want to....
Re: confused!!!
How did u get to this conclusion. How is that even relevant.
this is important for majority of muslims.....
if u r muslim u dont need explanation and if u r not u can not understand.....
Re: confused!!!
So you can't explain why you said that even though you're a Muslim?
If she converts its her own will and its no ones fault besides thats not what is being discussed here.
OP have you contacted the authorities? Actually have you talked to the mother to confirm if this is true or not. You must talk to the mother before talking to the authorities and don't just watch her being separated from her mother.
Re: confused!!!
^Because men don't cry....in court?
The question requires detailed discussion by itself.
How old are you? Have you actually been through the court system lately? From start to finish?
You need to really educate yourself on the legal process. It changes even within the same country from State to State. Even the family courts in Canada are vastly different from America.
We don't live in the 80s and 90s anymore where courts automatically hand over custody to the mother. In fact, courts do not like granting sole custody to one parent alone. If they do, they enforce a court order where the other non-custodial parent will get 50% access time - which means the non-custodial parent does not have to pay child support. It's actually very rare that the courts will give a parent sole custody. In fact, the courts want the parents to settle it and make their own arrangements to avoid the time and money which is required to attend court.
Do the math of how much it costs to go through the legal system. A decent lawyer is at least, minimum, $300 per hour. A case usually goes for up to 2-3 years. Lawyers do not work for free. They want their money up front before they do any work. There is no guarantee that an order for Costs will be awarded. Chances of recovering the money invested is slim.
So if a single parent spent around $50K (yes, it costs that much these days) fighting in court for custody and child support, all they would have to do is cry and manipulate the court and the Judge will just hand over custody? If it were only that easy. :)
You underestimate the amount of psychological turmoil and stress that is involved in going into court for custody. The financial aspect of it is different story all together.
I am quite sure you are aware that there are Judges out there who may not want to hear Applicant/Respondent (mother/father) testimony. Depending on the Judge, they may want to only hear the Lawyers make their submissions. So then, that means the mother won't get a chance to cry on the stand. How sad.
They do not care if the father beat up the mother or vice versa as the courts do not want this to affect either parents relationship with the child. Abuse will only become an issue IF the parent HITS the child. The relationship between mother/father is irrelevant.
I'm sure your research skills also showed that Judges rarely award spousal support anymore. It is only awarded in situations where the wife did not work (for years) to raise the children. You know most women these days work, even single mothers .... so why would they claim spousal support? The Judge will grant child support, but not spousal support.
Have you seen the child support table guildelines? That is the breakdown of how much money the parent has to pay based on their salary. So for example, if you make $35,000K per year, the non-custodial parent would be required to pay around $350 per month - depending on all other expenses of course, which each party has to provide proof of in court. You can't just decide how much you want to pay or receive. It's idiotic to think that.
Really, educate yourself before you make jaahil comments where you lose all respect (if you care for it).
Also, in case you didn't realise, a court order is only enforceable if you are a national of that court where the order was issued. If you have another passport (i.e. a Pakistani passport), they can't enforce it as you can slip by the authorities who have a warrant out on your american/canadian identification papers.
One of my lawyer's clients owes 60 THOUSAND dollars in missed child support (not spousal) which he refuses to pay. He makes over six figures.
He STILL has all of his access and gets to visit the children because it is against the law to block access (that means, the father can have the mother arrested for not allowing him to visit his child) .... but he just doesn't want to pay financially towards them. He flies in an out of the country freely on his Jamaican passport.
Mashallah - right?
Re: confused!!!
^Because men don't cry....in court?
The question requires detailed discussion by itself.
I was going to reply to your post......and then I read this.
Re: confused!!!
Mehnaz…diwana doesn’t have enough time to google all this stuff…please stop needling him with useless things like facts.
It is highly rude of you to attack someone like this. Perhaps you should pick on someone of your mental caliber…didn’t they teach you that in grade 1?
Re: confused!!!
i guess all of u will be happy when this gori tkaes her daughter to germany n makes her a badchalan jus lik da rest of em
Re: confused!!!
How old are you? Have you actually been through the court system lately? From start to finish?
You need to really educate yourself on the legal process. It changes even within the same country from State to State. Even the family courts in Canada are vastly different from America.
We don't live in the 80s and 90s anymore where courts automatically hand over custody to the mother. In fact, courts do not like granting sole custody to one parent alone. If they do, they enforce a court order where the other non-custodial parent will get 50% access time - which means the non-custodial parent does not have to pay child support. It's actually very rare that the courts will give a parent sole custody. In fact, the courts want the parents to settle it and make their own arrangements to avoid the time and money which is required to attend court.
Do the math of how much it costs to go through the legal system. A decent lawyer is at least, minimum, $300 per hour. A case usually goes for up to 2-3 years. Lawyers do not work for free. They want their money up front before they do any work. There is no guarantee that an order for Costs will be awarded. Chances of recovering the money invested is slim.
So if a single parent spent around $50K (yes, it costs that much these days) fighting in court for custody and child support, all they would have to do is cry and manipulate the court and the Judge will just hand over custody? If it were only that easy. :)
You underestimate the amount of psychological turmoil and stress that is involved in going into court for custody. The financial aspect of it is different story all together.
I am quite sure you are aware that there are Judges out there who may not want to hear Applicant/Respondent (mother/father) testimony. Depending on the Judge, they may want to only hear the Lawyers make their submissions. So then, that means the mother won't get a chance to cry on the stand. How sad.
They do not care if the father beat up the mother or vice versa as the courts do not want this to affect either parents relationship with the child. Abuse will only become an issue IF the parent HITS the child. The relationship between mother/father is irrelevant.
I'm sure your research skills also showed that Judges rarely award spousal support anymore. It is only awarded in situations where the wife did not work (for years) to raise the children. You know most women these days work, even single mothers .... so why would they claim spousal support? The Judge will grant child support, but not spousal support.
Have you seen the child support table guildelines? That is the breakdown of how much money the parent has to pay based on their salary. So for example, if you make $35,000K per year, the non-custodial parent would be required to pay around $350 per month - depending on all other expenses of course, which each party has to provide proof of in court. You can't just decide how much you want to pay or receive. It's idiotic to think that.
Really, educate yourself before you make jaahil comments where you lose all respect (if you care for it).
Also, in case you didn't realise, a court order is only enforceable if you are a national of that court where the order was issued. If you have another passport (i.e. a Pakistani passport), they can't enforce it as you can slip by the authorities who have a warrant out on your american/canadian identification papers.
One of my lawyer's clients owes 60 THOUSAND dollars in missed child support (not spousal) which he refuses to pay. He makes over six figures.
He STILL has all of his access and gets to visit the children because it is against the law to block access (that means, the father can have the mother arrested for not allowing him to visit his child) .... but he just doesn't want to pay financially towards them. He flies in an out of the country freely on his Jamaican passport.
Mashallah - right?
Quoted for truth
Re: confused!!!
i guess all of u will be happy when this gori tkaes her daughter to germany n makes her a badchalan jus lik da rest of em
Is this quote from some old Bollywood filam?
Re: confused!!!
i guess all of u will be happy when this gori tkaes her daughter to germany n makes her a badchalan jus lik da rest of em
It may be better a "badchalan" than a munafiq.
Re: confused!!!
It may be better a "badchalan" than a munafiq.
nothing is worse than a badchalan female for ghairatmand muslim pakistanis ..
Re: confused!!!
How old are you? Have you actually been through the court system lately? From start to finish?
You need to really educate yourself on the legal process. It changes even within the same country from State to State. Even the family courts in Canada are vastly different from America.
We don't live in the 80s and 90s anymore where courts automatically hand over custody to the mother. In fact, courts do not like granting sole custody to one parent alone. If they do, they enforce a court order where the other non-custodial parent will get 50% access time - which means the non-custodial parent does not have to pay child support. It's actually very rare that the courts will give a parent sole custody. In fact, the courts want the parents to settle it and make their own arrangements to avoid the time and money which is required to attend court.
Do the math of how much it costs to go through the legal system. A decent lawyer is at least, minimum, $300 per hour. A case usually goes for up to 2-3 years. Lawyers do not work for free. They want their money up front before they do any work. There is no guarantee that an order for Costs will be awarded. Chances of recovering the money invested is slim.
So if a single parent spent around $50K (yes, it costs that much these days) fighting in court for custody and child support, all they would have to do is cry and manipulate the court and the Judge will just hand over custody? If it were only that easy. :)
You underestimate the amount of psychological turmoil and stress that is involved in going into court for custody. The financial aspect of it is different story all together.
I am quite sure you are aware that there are Judges out there who may not want to hear Applicant/Respondent (mother/father) testimony. Depending on the Judge, they may want to only hear the Lawyers make their submissions. So then, that means the mother won't get a chance to cry on the stand. How sad.
They do not care if the father beat up the mother or vice versa as the courts do not want this to affect either parents relationship with the child. Abuse will only become an issue IF the parent HITS the child. The relationship between mother/father is irrelevant.
I'm sure your research skills also showed that Judges rarely award spousal support anymore. It is only awarded in situations where the wife did not work (for years) to raise the children. You know most women these days work, even single mothers .... so why would they claim spousal support? The Judge will grant child support, but not spousal support.
Have you seen the child support table guildelines? That is the breakdown of how much money the parent has to pay based on their salary. So for example, if you make $35,000K per year, the non-custodial parent would be required to pay around $350 per month - depending on all other expenses of course, which each party has to provide proof of in court. You can't just decide how much you want to pay or receive. It's idiotic to think that.
Really, educate yourself before you make jaahil comments where you lose all respect (if you care for it).
Also, in case you didn't realise, a court order is only enforceable if you are a national of that court where the order was issued. If you have another passport (i.e. a Pakistani passport), they can't enforce it as you can slip by the authorities who have a warrant out on your american/canadian identification papers.
One of my lawyer's clients owes 60 THOUSAND dollars in missed child support (not spousal) which he refuses to pay. He makes over six figures.
He STILL has all of his access and gets to visit the children because it is against the law to block access (that means, the father can have the mother arrested for not allowing him to visit his child) .... but he just doesn't want to pay financially towards them. He flies in an out of the country freely on his Jamaican passport.
Mashallah - right?
I read through all your idiotic post and it is very clear that you fail to show where I was wrong that there are many reasons where women have been given custody to a child just because the judges only see what is presented to them in the court and men really do not have either the time or experience to fight the custody battle. Men neither have tme or discuss these issues with other men. Women do.
Men do not cry. Women cry. Fake or real.
Many years are spent by children with women since they get to stay home while men have to work and be the bread winner.
Automatically that makes the men be on losing side when children may be asked who they would prefer to live with.
Men do work hard behind the scene just to make you understand. If you can understand is the question.
You posted garbage in explaining the whole detail for nothing. You also added the details of a case which does not even pertain to the case at hand.
None of us can really say why the man in question had to take his daughter away from his ex wife.
There is absolutely no reason to just see one side only because a third person decided to come and tell us a story.
The OP, when not satisfied, in order to gain more support of the real intention of posting the story, does something absolutely unethical and immoral act to post the picture of the girl.
I feel bad for the girl who has a so called family friend or relative to post her picture just to make a point.
*Spare me from details of legal system and how much a lawyer charges bla bla and get to the point next time. Thank you. *:)
Re: confused!!!
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Re: confused!!!
i dont have any bad intentions just want to share with you guys nyways already sent an email to german embassy
i request mods to kindly close this thread pls, i am and i will try my best to contact the mother and whatever i can do
Thank you all for giving your opinions.
Re: confused!!!
I do question the OP's judgment in posting the picture. Kind of takes away her credibility.
Even though I do not agree with many of your posts, but I have to say I agree here with you.
Re: confused!!!
Best wishes for the little girl, and I hope all the adults around her continue with the best intentions.
Thread closed as requested.