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^^ Its kidnapping if the authorities haven't given you persmission to cross border with a minor without the other parent's consent. There is also custody issue in this case. Does the guy have full custody of the child??? I am sure he doesn't since the girl only visits him as mentioned by the OP.
Re: confused!!!
It is kidnapping if the mother doesn't knw abt her leaving the country. I feel bad for both the girl and her mother. I m shocked that he was able to just fly her to Pakistan...just like that. I mean are you sure the mother doesn't knw abt this.
In the US, if one parent is taking the kid out of the country the other parent has to give written consent. What abt the passport and etc...Where and how did he get that stuff.
Before reporting him, make sure u have all the information.
I think you shld tell the mother abt it, stay anonymous so ur inlaws dont find out.
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It is kidnapping if the mother doesn't knw abt her leaving the country. I feel bad for both the girl and her mother. I m shocked that he was able to just fly her to Pakistan...just like that. I mean are you sure the mother doesn't knw abt this.
In the US, if one parent is taking the kid out of the country the other parent has to give written consent. What abt the passport and etc...Where and how did he get that stuff.
Before reporting him, make sure u have all the information.
I think you shld tell the mother abt it, stay anonymous so ur inlaws dont find out.
state department needs written consent of parents when child needs passport. other than that no permission is required. can you correct me if you have any official reference or website link. thanks in advance. :@:
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U need to show a written consent by the other parent at the airport as well. I m planning to travel to Pakistan in March and our travel agent told us to get the permission notarized.
N yes when i got the baby's passport and since my husband couldn't go to get the passport, i took a written consent frm my him.
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Why are you so worried of him becoming a maulana? A person can choose to live the life the way he/she finds suitable. **
Anytime** in his/her life. I mean who are you to tell him how he should live?
Well Mr. Diwana sure its his private matter to live whatever life he wants...but here i am not discussing why he became maulana my only concern is the little girl because she was crying a lot an she is not two three month old girl who will adjust easily..
this thought that he brought her girl to Pakistan without telling the mother is very insane, he cheated his ex wife and her daughter as well
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Rabia: thank you.
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I posted here becuz most of you people live abroad and might have better knowledge what to do in this situation...her grandfather was also crying that his son is doing wrong..
My only interest in this whole matter is the girl because being a mother i strongly feel that this is wrong..
My husband told me that from Germany he took the girl took the girl to France(that i dont know how) and exited from there.
Please advice me what is the best thing i can do for the kid..
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belle
you should contact authorities immediately and provide as much info as you possibly can. names, addresses, all of it. that girl needs to come back home to her mother. this is a kidnapping case.
her father can be her father but is he allowed to just take her without letting the other parent know? no. absolutely not.
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LOL why am I not surprised that some believe father did no wrong!
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As a father of an 11 year old daughter I can relate to pain of this innocent little girl who has been separated from her mother forcibly.
Religions has nothing to do with love a child has for her mother or mother's love for her child.
A wrong is a wrong even if it is done in the name of religion.
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What a horrible father! Poor kid must be feeling so lost without her mom.
You're awesome belledonne for wanting to take action against this! Yes definitely call the German embassy. Also, can you find out the girl's mother's contact? Maybe from facebook, old emails, common friends? Does she know her daughter has been taken out of the country?
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He should have taken the non religious influence into consideration before bringing the child into this world. I am feeling sorry for the whole family. What a mess it is. I am sure when the german embassy and the FIA are involved, the father is going to pay hard and what about his family in pakistan then? the other four daughters and all that. Obviously two wrongs do not make one right. I can just hope the father brings the girl back to her mother when the senses have come back to him.
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sure i will definately do that....thanks a lot for guiding
as a precaution, it will be good if your husband's friend never comes to know that who reported this!! I mean, he shouldn't know that YOU reported it! best of luck!
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if i will do that my husband and my inlaws will get to know and my inlaws will create an awkward situation for me for sure...that is why i want to do it secretly...i think best thing will be to inform german embassy*
isn't there any way you can make your husband understand too.... I mean, I "think" you should take him in confidence, godforbid if later you find yourself in any troublesome situation, your husband will be there too for you! Its my opinion, rest you know better!
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isn't there any way you can make your husband understand too.... I mean, I "think" you should take him in confidence, godforbid if later you find yourself in any troublesome situation, your husband will be there too for you! Its my opinion, rest you know better!
yeah, that is my major concern in this whole issue.
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Well Mr. Diwana sure its his private matter to live whatever life he wants...but here i am not discussing why he became maulana my only concern is the little girl because she was crying a lot an she is not two three month old girl who will adjust easily..
this thought that he brought her girl to Pakistan without telling the mother is very insane, he cheated his ex wife and her daughter as well
So you are talking about my second post.
You clearly wrote and made a wrong judgmental comment on someone becoming 'maulana' in your opinion. That was wrong.
You said "here i am not discussing about why he became maulana...." I never talked about him why he became maulana and did not question you for that. That is figment of your imagination.
Read my post above I questioned you because you said 'what is the point of become maulana all of a sudden"?
Here it is what you wrote:
exactly this is my point he shud have thought about it before marrying what is the point of becoming maulana all of the sudden
Do you agree you were unnecessarily judgmental here?
Please explain why you used the word 'maulana'? :)
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If he has the right connections in Pakistan there is little you can do.
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If he has the right connections in Pakistan there is little you can do.
there is no law for rich people
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About my first post, you actually were talking about "abduction" not "kidnap".
While people may get confused about these terms and use them interchangeably, abduction is the term used in these kind of cases.
The guy is not looking for a monitory gain from abducting his daughter.
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My husband's cousin got married in Germany, had a daughter from her then divorced his wife. His daughter now come weekly to meet his father, she is 10yr old.
In Pakistan also he is married and have 4 daughters. this week when her daughter came to meet him he kidnapped her daughter and reached PAkistan this morning.
My husband was telling me she is very cute girl very innocent and she was crying silently.
I am feeling very bad for the little girl how is she going to manage here. His father took him to mandi bahauddin there are no good schools and is her second mother going to treat her like her own child well i doubt that.
I am planning to contact her mother if not then i should complain to german embassy.
Pls guide me what shall i doas his father said that he does not want her daughter to live non religious life.
I would highly appreciate input from you guys.
Thanks in advance.
Belle
As long as he is not abusing the child in any way, then stay out of it. It is his own daughter after all he has a right to decide how he wants to raise her. Western custody laws are often very cruel in terms of visiting rights for fathers. This is really none of your business. It is the mans daughter. Besides, girls can be more prone to abuse from their mothers boyfriends or husbands. People who grow up in single parent households in the West, almost always end up very messed up.
Also I don't know about Pakistani citizenship law, but since her father is a Pakistani citizen I am assuming the child could automatically be considered a citizen too, if that is the case the German Embassy can't do anything.