Literacy (2008)
Total: 56.2
Male: 68.2
Female: 43.6
Primary: 87.3%
Secondary: 44%
Post Secondary: 4.7%
Is it fair to disqualify 95% of the population to ever take part in general elections? Is this democracy?
Re: condition of having a degree to become MNA
Is it fair to have uneducated and untalented leading you?
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Yes, it is fair to disqualify 95% if they are uneducated.
To have democracy, you need to prepare yourself for democracy first.
Is it fair to have uneducated and untalented leading you?
YES! Like they say:
undhoun mein kana Raja!.................:D
Is it fair to have uneducated and untalented leading you?
how can you create a standard that wordly education is what it takes to become a leader? try to find out how educated Goerge Washington was.
Yes, it is fair to disqualify 95% if they are uneducated. ** To have democracy, you need to prepare yourself for democracy first**.
democracy is to the people, for the people, by the people .. it does not say *for the people, by the elites. *
YES! Like they say:
undhoun mein kana Raja!.................:D
aaho
(not the nick :D)
how can you create a standard that wordly education is what it takes to become a leader? try to find out how educated Goerge Washington was.
democracy is to the people, for the people, by the people .. it does not say *for the people, by the elites. *
aaho
(not the nick :D)
Born leaders are Just too rare my friend, and you can see their will of leadership for the things they do for their Area and later on for the Country.
A person who dont even want to study because he just think it doesnt matter, how can that person will be creative or will be willing his country to do anything better?
Fine it should not be set as high as a degree but not below Post Secondary line.
democracy is to the people, for the people, by the people .. it does not say *for the people, by the elites. *
Ok, so if having the 5% of educated to rule the 95% is not democracy, then how come it is democracy when only the top 1% of the elites always get elected anyway? (with or without the condition of graduation)
Keep on fooling yourself with this democracy.
Born leaders are Just too rare my friend, and you can see
A person who dont even want to study because he just think it doesnt matter, how can that person will be creative or will be willing his country to do anything better?
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Dear friend,
This comment of yours is the best proof for those who say "education doesn't necessarily imply wisdom" :)
For nation's progress, the MNAs should be wise.
Masses are illiterate not because they don't want to study or are too lazy but because they have no oppurtunities.
And BTW, this particular rule gives incentive to MNAs to not spread education. Who likes competition ? :)
Re: condition of having a degree to become MNA
So you mean All MNA's are poor and they all couldnt have the opportunity to study?
What about those who studied and wanted to be MNA but got shot dead or are afraid to get dead because of those MNA's who never studied and who dont even dont kow a single sentence while visiting Quaid-e-Azam Mizar (Example from PPP Sindh Minster Syed Ali Mardan Shah)
What about the manners when they are invited to talk shows. (I know its not must that education teach you manners, but talking from opportunity as you quoted)
Born leaders are Just too rare my friend, and you can see their will of leadership for the things they do for their Area and later on for the Country.
A person who dont even want to study because he just think it doesnt matter, how can that person will be creative or will be willing his country to do anything better?
Fine it should not be set as high as a degree but not below Post Secondary line.
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So are you suggesting that education guarantees leadership?
Ok, so if having the 5% of educated to rule the 95% is not democracy, then how come it is democracy when only the top 1% of the elites always get elected anyway? (with or without the condition of graduation)
Keep on fooling yourself with this democracy.
what your point has to do with what I am asking? I dont get it.
Dear friend,
This comment of yours is the best proof for those who say "education doesn't necessarily imply wisdom" :) For nation's progress, the MNAs should be wise.
Masses are illiterate not because they don't want to study or are too lazy but because they have no oppurtunities. ** And BTW, this particular rule gives incentive to MNAs to not spread education. Who likes competition **? :)
that is actually a good point.
Re: condition of having a degree to become MNA
Well being from a 3rd world country we don't have the luxury to appoint very well educated leaders . But we should definitely think about few solutions .
1 . Minimum educational requirement should be 10th grade . (Sorry they can't be total jahil)
2 . One week intensive training program regarding Public Administration and legislation .
3 . Continuous training program all through their term in office .
4 . Parties should be encouraged to induct more educated people with specialized skills in particular domain .
5 . People elected to legislation shouldn't be appointed as Ministers , rather they should find more educated and experienced people to run a government organization .
Re: condition of having a degree to become MNA
^^ Nice points but they will give you only one point..
Agar itna ziyadah government main aa ke parhna hai to es se behtar tha degree nah kar letey :D
Re: condition of having a degree to become MNA
Yes education Guarantees leadership. It is an extremely important aspect of leadership.
I am not going to make someone who can not read or write the minister of Economics and incharge all of exports.
I am not going to make someone who can't understand the basics of biology and diseases the head of the Ministry of Health.
It is a fair legislation one of the few things that Musharraf did right. And this ******* Zardari changes it.
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Members of parliament are 'representatives' of people. How can 5% 'educated' represent 95% 'not-so-educated'?
Education should be the least of our worries. First condition should be the match between a person's wealth as demonstrated by lifestyle and that declared on income tax returns (if ever filled). We only need honest politicians who are worried about facing the people again in 5 years' time and not graduates with fake degrees.
Ministerial positions are different. You need experts there, but formal education (specially in Pakistan) does not guarantee even that. I have met businessmen who never went to university but have better insights into HRM, Operations, Finance etc. (all the fancy stuff they teach in business schools) than MBAs from our 'top universities'.
Would anyone guarantee a guy graduated from Sindh University to have acquired leadership skills from the esteemed professors there?
Members of parliament are 'representatives' of people. How can 5% 'educated' represent 95% 'not-so-educated'?
Education should be the least of our worries. First condition should be the match between a person's wealth as demonstrated by lifestyle and that declared on income tax returns (if ever filled). We only need honest politicians who are worried about facing the people again in 5 years' time and not graduates with fake degrees.
Ministerial positions are different. You need experts there, but formal education (specially in Pakistan) does not guarantee even that. I have met businessmen who never went to university but have better insights into HRM, Operations, Finance etc. (all the fancy stuff they teach in business schools) than MBAs from our 'top universities'.
Would anyone guarantee a guy graduated from Sindh University to have acquired leadership skills from the esteemed professors there?
Welcome to Africa. What you are stating is exactly why Africa went back 200 years in economic development. Speak to a Kenyan about their colonial industry and the changes it brought.
This notion you can understand business, economics, governance without a formal education in the field is exactly what went wrong with Africa.
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^ I would be glad to accept your contention when we have 3 Universities in the top 300 universities of the world.
The notion that you can understand business, economics or governance with an MA in Islamiat from Punjab university is what went wrong with Musy's designs.
Yes, we need experts to run specific ministries. Yes, we do need to improve our system of education A LOT. No, we do not need a BA from Minnesota Central Western University to represent people of Sakhhar.
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Education doesn't require an IVY League education. The US and UK proved that already. So did the French. But does require the ability to write your name.
This is exactly why people drink polluted water and think nothing will happen to them. Education is key to understanding the situation and leading so others will follow.
YES.
We should have minimums defined for education. While looking at the current outlook, graduation might just be too high of a bar for MNA/MPA. Here is what I suggest it should be
For MNA/MPA min education should be Intermediate (12 grades) and it should be raised to graduation in next 10 years.
For Ministers, PM, President etc, min requirement SHOULD be GRADUATION. These are key posts responsible for approving / disapproving the future plans/projects.
TLK, many people still go to NEEM-HAKEEM but I always prefer qualified doctor. Although qualification does not guarantees that Dr will be expert but I'd rather be on his operation table than on some neem-hakeem's who might actually be more aware and experienced than qualified Dr.
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Call me a Paindoo but whats an MNA/MPA? 
Faris for president 
You dont know what MNA and MPA is and hence you are qualified to be one 
MNA : Member National Assembly
MPA : Member Provincial Assembly