"Just wanted to comment on a few of these points. Number one, Maria was never the Prophet’s (pbuh) wife. She was a slave concubine who bore him a child. In Islam, a man is allowed to have four wives, but an unlimited number of concubines. These concubines are basically slaves who are faithful to their master, and if they bear a child from him, they are set free, which is what happened with Maria. Rasulallah had a total of 11 wives in his life, and four concubines. "
Yeah, I doubt that, to be quite honest. I put up a post on Maria the Copt a long time ago, and people like Maddie and others I think were saying that the Prophet had actually married her, and that she had converted pretty close to the first time she heard him speak about Islam.
I am not sure about what other concubines there were? Its funny, you'd think their identities would have been recorded in history, and people would know for sure if he was having sexual relations with them or not, since he's our main example of a follower of Islam?
I thought the reason for that verse was some other reason, regarding the general bickering among the wives in general (Aisha, Hafsa, and some others). I never heard of Maria the Copt being involved in their jealousy issues.
At least that's what I've read on the verse. Again, many references I've read have claimed that their is controversy over Maria the Copt, and most scholars agree that he married her before he had any relations with her, since she accepted Islam almost as soon as she was captured. Who knows though. I don't know if Aisha (R) has many hadith's recorded on her though.
And I do not see anywhere in that hadith any reference to Maria as being the issue that Aisha and Hafsa were fighting on.
The above poster might have gotten his post directly from Ali Sina’s wordings on the topic. The article I posted on answering-islam.org states that these words are Ali Sina’s (who is quite an anti-Islamist of a rebel) :
“The following is Muhammad’s scandalous love affair with Mariyah the Copt who was one of the prophet’s wives’ maids. Muhammad slept with her without any ceremony, which caused uproar among his wives and finally was settled by Divine intervention. This story is recorded in an authenticated Hadith and is reported by Omar.”
Another reference: I suppose she really was with him for a very limited time, so maybe that is why there is so much confusion as to whether he really “married” her or not.
I will not criticse you for your curiosity
But the Prophet(saw) also married more than four times I dont see any muslim Ulema calling for that.While I am not qualified to comment on this issue but apparently keeping slavegirls as concubines was allowed in Islam at the time of the Prophet(saw) and all Sahabas had them as well so I dont see what the problem is with that
I think it is obvious that answering-islam is a muslim hate site
more slanders against the Prophet(saw) could be found in "leaving Islam" by Ibn Warraq
these people have already maligned the Prophets and distorted the message Allah(swt) sent to their nations now they are bent on doing the same thing with Rasulallah.Clearly they are neither jews or christians but the agents of Dajjal
Likewise, it is allowed for a man to marry woman of low social class as in the case of Maria (RA), who was given to the Prophet (SAW) as a present by the ruler of Egypt. The Prophet (SAW) elevated her status by marrying her, instead of making her his slave.
It is known that maria (ra) was a copt when given as a slave to the Prophet (saws) but that she did in fact become Muslim. If he did not free her when she accepted Islam (and then married her to stay with her), this would have meant that the Prophet (saws) kept a Muslim slave.
Edit: I’ll need to check my book when I get back home, but I think it said that Maria (ra) was not given the title “Umm-ul-Muslimeen” granted to the rest of the Prophet’s wive until after she gave birth to his son Ibrahim. I think but I’m not sure, that the book said she became his wife at that point.
Yeah Muslim men are allowed to have their slave girls as concubines, nothing new about that, I can’t believe some of you are so ignorant about these things, in the Qur’aan they are reffered to as “those their right hands possess”.
Slavery and concubines existed long before Islam, Islam didn’t forbid it all together but gave lots of rights to the slaves and protected them so they are not overworked or beaten and are provided with good food, clothing and shelter. In Islam the freeing of slaves is considered amongst the bestest of good deeds and worthy of reward from Allaah but it wasn’t made compulsory.
The way slaves were acquired was when the Muslims defeated an army, they would kill the soldiers but their widowed women and orphaned children who now needed someone to look after them would be took as slaves and the leader would distribute them amongst those soldiers who deserve it and can look after them, another way of acquiring slaves was if for example a brother wishes to sell his slave girl to somebody or a generous brother decides to give me an Eid present.
Maria the Copt was a gift to the Prophet :saw: from a Christian king who our Prophet :saw: had invited to Islam, the Prophet :saw: had a son from her named Abraham :as: who died during infancy. I don’t know if she embraced Islam or not but I have read that he did not marry her, so what? What’s so wrong about that? Having sex with ones lawful concubine is no sin in Islam, it is just like having sex with your wife, it is not adultery or fornication. Islam is our guide for judging morality and Islam says it’s fine so it is, stop being so apologetic, who cares what the Kuffaar think? Some of you are so insecure, it’s because you grow up taking in Kaafir society’s views for everything, you’re so brainwashed u cant think differently.
Islam isn’t the only religion to allow slavery, I can dig up loads of verses from the Judeo-Christian scriptures and traditions from Hinduism too if anyone wants but Islamic slavery is the most just of them all.
one minor correction soldiers that surrendered were **not **killed once it happened during the time of Holy Prophet(pbuh) and he was very angry
at that time there was no concept of Pows anywhere in the world Islam introduced it for the first time
noncombantent males were also not killed
that is why so many persian slaves were present in the islamic world at the time of Umar(ra)
I think Faruk Khan is spot on. There is no need to PCize the religion artificially. Bear in mind that Islam is a religion for all ages, including the time at which it was revealved. at that point concubines were an aspect of society. What Islam did is that it regulated this aspect ensuring that there is fair treatment of the women and maintenance (and purity) of offsprings. It wasnt such a women's issue at that point as it is now, if it were it would have been raised by the many strong women voices at that time (Bibi Fatima raising a voice against the Islamic govt over her inheritance, Bibi Ayesha over the murder of the 3rd Caliph)
Because the concept has been obviated now and is frowned upon in our time, there is no compulsion on people to either acquire concubines or women to be concubines. That was a different age and this is a different age, while what is mandatory in Islam is equally relevant to both ages, what is optional (having concubines/muta for shias/4 wives/slaves/measuring wealth in camels) may reflect the requirements of another culture. Adhere to the culture of your time as long as it doesnt conflict with your religion, but understand that this religion catered for other cultures as well with the aim of providing a just and god fearing society, but not necessarily one you personally can easily live in.
okay, so u guys are saying that it's allowed in islam to have relations outside your marriage if the person happens to be your slave? am i understanding this correctly?
^ but that wudnt make sense..on one side the punishment for adultery is very harsh (like 100 lashes)...on the other u can cheat on your spouse with your slave?
