Once again, I am with Burqa on this. While morally, we have a good case on Kashmir, but the reality is jis lathi us ki bhains.
We need to have a quite eastern frontier, as who knows whats about in to happen in our west in Afghanistan, not to mention that nutcase Ahmadi-Nejad.
Some times discretion is the better part of valour.
But Queer and the other Indians know in there heart that no a single Kashmiri wants to stay with India. Morally they don't have an argument.
I would like to differ on your point "that not a single kashmiri wants to stay with India." There is a major chunk that do not want to join Pakistani Union or complete independence, they want greater autonomy within Indian rule. There were kashmiri leaders Like Abdul Ghani Lone, Mirwaiz Maulvi Farooq (Father of current Mirwaiz, Umar Farooq, who was killed by Hizb, he openly opposed pandits being thrown out of valley) and many more who were assasinated by Hizbul Mujahideen, a pro pak outfit. Recently an attempt was made to kill Fazal Haque Qureshi aide of Maulvi umar Farooq, was shot in the head outside a mosque, as he was mediating talks between India and moderate faction of Hurriyat.
Those who dare to speak about autonomy within the Indian rule get killed or assasinated. Thats the main reason you dont hear their voices. Plus, there are lot of main stream politicians parties, like PDP, NC etc like want greater autonomy rather complete Independence.
APHC (All party hurriyat conference) is collection of more than 20 parties, each having different agenda. And there is always diffrence of opinion between these parties. Reason a average indian or pakistani does not hear about them, coz they do not come out openly in public and demonstrate for the fear of getting eliminated by pro pak millitants.
Article 370 of the indian constitution has spoilt the kashmiris. People of kashmir valley do not want people from pakistani punjab or Sindh or balochistan to settle down and buy property in Kashmir. And they know, pakistan will not entertain Article 370 like concession. Ground realities in Kashmir are very different than what an average pakistani or indian sees or reads in the media.
I would like to differ on your point "that not a single kashmiri wants to stay with India." There is a major chunk that do not want to join Pakistani Union or complete independence, they want greater autonomy within Indian rule. There were kashmiri leaders Like Abdul Ghani Lone, Mirwaiz Maulvi Farooq (Father of current Mirwaiz, Umar Farooq, who was killed by Hizb, he openly opposed pandits being thrown out of valley) and many more who were assasinated by Hizbul Mujahideen, a pro pak outfit. Recently an attempt was made to kill Fazal Haque Qureshi aide of Maulvi umar Farooq, was shot in the head outside a mosque, as he was mediating talks between India and moderate faction of Hurriyat.
Those who dare to speak about autonomy within the Indian rule get killed or assasinated. Thats the main reason you dont hear their voices. Plus, there are lot of main stream politicians parties, like PDP, NC etc like want greater autonomy rather complete Independence.
APHC (All party hurriyat conference) is collection of more than 20 parties, each having different agenda. And there is always diffrence of opinion between these parties. Reason a average indian or pakistani does not hear about them, coz they do not come out openly in public and demonstrate for the fear of getting eliminated by pro pak millitants.
Article 370 of the indian constitution has spoilt the kashmiris. People of kashmir valley do not want people from pakistani punjab or Sindh or balochistan to settle down and buy property in Kashmir. And they know, pakistan will not entertain Article 370 like concession. Ground realities in Kashmir are very different than what an average pakistani or indian sees or reads in the media.
Baba,
I am letting you keep Kashmir. But don't tell me that you have any moral right to be here. On the ownership of land, Pakistanis **cannot **buy land in AJK, so get your facts right.
The fact is you won the 1948 war, we lost, and Kashmir is a spoil of the war. We as Pakistanis have to be realistic, and accept a settlement that is not favourable to us.
Its good to see that Khan considering people as spoils of war. How very Nazisque of you. Do you also think their Kashmiri women are spoils of war for the Indian Military?
Now the question is India is going to go *****ing and whining about the lack of effort on the Composte Dialogue. What should our potential response be?
NEW DELHI: Ruling out a composite dialogue in the near future, India on Wednesday told Pakistan that the coming meeting of the Foreign Secretaries could discuss all subjects but New Delhi will focus only on terror.
The message was conveyed to Pakistan High Commissioner Shahid Malik when he met Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao for discussions ahead of the talks.
“We told them our concerns on terror will definitely figure and then we can look at the state of affairs on bilateral issues and confidence-building measures. Some friendly visits between the two sides can also take place,” said sources in the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA).
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Dialogue but no composite dialogue??? Indians seem to be VERY serious about peace talks.
A composite dialogue between Govt of India and Govt of Pakistan will only make sense if Pakistan Army is also invovled in the dialogue. Govt of pakistan needs stamp from their Army and Intelligence before any declaration.
India needs to stop being a ***** and stick to its word. Freaking hell. Look at every intiative for peace and some dumbass Indian blows up more indians.
see I predicted this. Pakistanis keep interpreting things the way they'd like and can never open their minds for a second to see may the other side meant something else.
India tried to do a favor by offering & inviting Pakistan for dialogue. Instead of grabbing on to that, some wiseguys tried to redefine scope and so India has now spelt out in unambiguous terms. even after losing every war with India, why do Pakistanis keep misinterpreting India's offers for peace is a sign of their weakness?
My stand was vindicated, no composite dialogue unless Kashmir is the central point of discussion. I know that won't happen, so no point in discussions.
see I predicted this. Pakistanis keep interpreting things the way they'd like and can never open their minds for a second to see may the other side meant something else.
India tried to do a favor by offering & inviting Pakistan for dialogue. Instead of grabbing on to that, some wiseguys tried to redefine scope and so India has now spelt out in unambiguous terms. even after losing every war with India, why do Pakistanis keep misinterpreting India's offers for peace is a sign of their weakness?
Here is a "Made in India" product for you. Are you really that ignorant or just acting like one??? What do you mean by Pakistanis NOT opening their minds??? We have been asking for peace talks for years now but Indians weren't really interested. All of a sudden Indians wanted to talk and we accepted that and setup dates and now Indians are saying that we will talk but no COMPOSITE dialogue possible. For a change, use some common sense.
And what the hell do you mean by favour by offering $ inviting Pakistan for dialogue??? (ARE YOU ******* serious?????)
mysterious_guy: ofcourse it is a favor. if the dialogues succeed into peace, both countries benefit but Pakistan being the smaller of the two and more importantly with a very tiny international portfolio, will benefit more. Why is that surprising you?
when you can get pre-release videos of bollywood stuff in Pakistan, why does it surprise you that Indian made polypropelyne is found their as well? It is a very common industrial ingredient. Any body can buy it. I recall in Dhirubhai Ambani days, he was even going to export that stuff to China.
^ or your guys smuggled it in from some where. big deal! when are people like you going to open up to truth and reality instead of conspiracy theories to explain away your failures.
