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Originally posted by Mustaqim:
**that's the problem with this line of argument you take.

you tell us to read from the sahih books - these sahih books tell us of the merits of the companions.

So can i throw that request back at you - would you read from our sahih books also...and remind us of the hadith speaking of their merits.

Rather than to pick out hadiths and then pour scorn on those who were better than us and who did more for Islam than us.

And while you're at it also cast your eyes on the Sahih Hadith attributed to Ali(ra) also praising various Sahaaba(ra).

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Brother Mustaqium;

As long as you believe that Bukhari, Muslim, and other hadith books are sahih, you should investigate the contradicting hadith and verify for yrselves as to whether:

1) The merits of companions are justified OR
2) Their criticism is justified.

Based on the high merits that the ahl-sunnat have bestowed upon certain companions and examples of their corresponding deviant behavior found in books of Bukhari, Muslim, and Tirmidhi, suggests that both 1) & 2) cannot co-exist.

If you believe that all the sahih hadiths are authentic, but only pick and choose hadiths that you like and leave or ignore the less flattering hadiths, then this, in my opinion is not being true to the great teachings of islam.

In shia thelogy, we verify every hadith based on its chain of narrators and any hadith that opposes the qur'an or geniune sayings of the prophet (pbuh) is rejected.

As for FF's comments, there is no need to respond to his rhetoric. If anyone has insulted or pointed fingers on the companions and certain wives of the prophet (pbuh), it is the authors or Bukhari, Muslim, and others. It is only that FF is ignornant about these hadiths or chooses not to focus on them.

We, Ahlul Bayt (chosen descendants of the Holy Prophet), hold such central and balancing position in religion that those who are deficient in understanding and acting upon its principles, will have to come to us for reformation, and those who are overdoing it have got to learn moderation from us.

  • Imam Ali (as)
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Originally posted by Pristine:
*Just as Hazrat Ali (AS) was Ameer-ul-Momineen, so were three people before him, and I respect all of them. . *
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Once again....you accept Hazrat Ali a.s as Ameer-ul-momineen so accept his enemies as enemy of islam. I did not say to disrespect three people before him. Only his enemies should be considered enemies of islam. We don't even have to say any names just say may Allah curse all the enemies of Ameer-ul-momineen. I know you won't do that.

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Man! You are really dense, aren’t you? Do you actually work hard to present this stubborn face or does it come naturally?

Let me repeat it for you, and this time, I am typing really slow, so you can understand it clearly.

**I am not in the business of cursing anyone’s enemies, not even the enemies of the Prophet (SAWW). To each his own. My imaan does not get effected by choosing not to curse other people.

And … I am not interested in continuing this discussion.**

I hope it clears it. If not, please get help.

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[This message has been edited by Pristine (edited January 31, 2002).]

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[quote]
Originally posted by Pristine:
**My imaan does not get effected by choosing not to curse other people.

**
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Pristine bhai,

Yes, but the fruits of yr effort does get affected by following the unguided and unjust.

ws

[This message has been edited by a1shah (edited January 31, 2002).]

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Originally posted by a1shah:
** Pristine bhai,

Yes, but the fruits of yr effort does get affected by following the unguided and unjust.
(edited January 31, 2002).]**
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I wished to refrain from this meaningless discourse, but Aishah, if you are saying that we cannot follow the unguided and the unjust, then your argument falls flat on its face. You tell us that the narrators of the various hadith in the Jamih al Sahih of Imam Bukhari are liars, that Bukhari himself is a liar, then you cannot use Bukhari's work in defense of your arguments.

Secondly, your art of selective misquotation does not mean that what you say is correct. I too can use your approach and say that the Magna Carta published many centuaries ago contained the entire human genome project.

In order to substantiate what anyone says about Islam, you have to ask yourself - did any one of the early generations of Muslims say such things (I mean the first 3 generations)? The answer in your case is no. We do not believe in the Quran or the Sunnah alone. We believe in the Quran and the SUnnah - as practised, understood and conveyed to us by the Messenger of Allah, and the best of the generations who came after.

Remember Aisha - our (Ahle-sunnah wal Jamah) objective is to follow the sirat-al mustaqueen, that is At-Tawheed - what Allah's messenger taught mankind exclusively for the first 14 years of his prophethood. Every other action (salat, sawm, hajj, zakat, etc) follows on from At-Tawheed. Picking out (falsifying) events in History is nothing less than conjecture and will take you away from the sirat al mustqueen.

You have failed twice now to reply to my posts about the oasis of fadaq - totally ignored them.

Your methodology is to falsify the words of the messenger of Allah (saw) by critising those companions who narrate somehting which goes against your Shia beliefs, (Abu Huraira, Aisha, Umar ibn al Khattab, etc).....

May Allah guide you or break your back.

May Allah curse those who curse the riteous.

May Allah bring you onto the sirat al mustaqueen.

May Allah be pleased with the Sahaba, and may Allah send praises upon Muhammed (saw).

Ameen. thumal Ameen,

[This message has been edited by Alpha1 (edited February 01, 2002).]

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