May Allah (swt) guide us to the truth.
From Sahih Bukhari:
Volume 5, Book 57, Number 116:
Narrated Abu Wail:
When 'Ali sent 'Ammar and Al-Hasan to (the people of) Kufa to urge them to fight, 'Ammar addressed them saying, "I know that she (i.e. 'Aisha) is the wife of the Prophet in this world and in the Hereafter (world to come), but Allah has put you to test, whether you will follow Him (i.e. Allah) or her (i.e Aisha)."
and the meaning of the post is????
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Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad:
**and the meaning of the post is????
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During the battle of Jamal, the imam (as) told the people that on one side lay the way of Aisha, while on the other side lay the path of Allah (swt).
The choice of path lay with the people. As such, it is necessary on those who seek to be guided, to recognize the path leading to the truth.
ws
[This message has been edited by a1shah (edited January 15, 2002).]
From Sahih Muslim;
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/031.smt.html
Book 031, Number 5916:
Sa’d reported Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying to 'Ali: Aren’t you satisfied with being unto me what Aaron was unto Moses?
The holy qur’an says;
[Yusufali 20:29] "And give me a Minister from my family,…
[Yusufali 20:36] (Allah) said: “Granted is thy prayer, O Moses!”
[Yusufali 25:35] We sent Moses The Book, and appointed his brother Aaron with him as minister;
[Pickthal 7:142] … And Moses said unto his brother, Aaron: Take my place among the people.
Notice that “Ukhlufni” and “Khalifa” (Caliph) are exactly from the same
root. Now, to realize what was narrated in Sahih al-Bukhari, we need to
replace the word “Moses” with “Muhammad” and “Aaron” with “Ali”, and the issue becomes clear.
The sentence becomes “And Muhammad (PBUH&HF) said to his
‘brother’ Ali, take my place among my community.”
Of course, the tradition
in Sahih al-Bukhari excluded the Prophethood for Imam Ali, and what remains
for him is the leadership of the community.
We, Ahlul Bayt (chosen descendants of the Holy Prophet), hold such central and balancing position in religion that those who are deficient in understanding and acting upon its principles, will have to come to us for reformation, and those who are overdoing it have got to learn moderation from us.
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During the battle of Jamal, the imam (as) told the people that on one side lay the way of Aisha, while on the other side lay the path of Allah (swt).
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awfully presumptuous.... on one side was Ayesha, the other Ali.. leave Allah out of it.. he never ordered infighting over political power.
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salaam
how do you know that 'follow him' in the hadeeth applies to ALlaah and not to Ali?
a1shah
You do not know Arabic. You have stated that you don't know Urdu. Can I ask what language do you know?
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.
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Originally posted by FactFinder:
**a1shah
You do not know Arabic. You have stated that you don't know Urdu. Can I ask what language do you know?
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.. he knows only one language - hate !! he is the follower of few who after many years of those events tried to gained political gains by spreating venom and hatred among muslims.. but by allah's grace vast majority of muslims love rather than hate ..
a1shah,
Please explain why do you think Hazrat Ali (ra) knowing all the above still respected Hazrat Aysha (ra) and took the bait of Hazrat Abu Bakar (ra) & all the other succeeding khulafah?!
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Originally posted by ahmadjee:
**a1shah,
Please explain why do you think Hazrat Ali (ra) knowing all the above still respected Hazrat Aysha (ra) and took the bait of Hazrat Abu Bakar (ra) & all the other succeeding khulafah?!**
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.. why u asking him bout Hazrat Ali (RA) .. he doesnt follow him.. he follows those miscreats who fabricated false stories of noramal events.. all sahabas including Hazrat Ali(RA) were normal human beings but followed Prophet Muhammads Sunnah to succeed.. read a1sha's venom in his post below for Hazrat Ayesha (RA)
Brothers/sisters;
Why all the commotion ?
The hadith is from sahih Bukhari.
Ammar tells the people that on one side is Allah's (swt) path and on the other is Aisha's way.
These are the exact words of the Sahih hadith.
Accusing me of not knowing Arabic or urdu (false accusations by the way) will not help us understand the hadith.
May Allah (swt) shower his blessings upon the holy prophet (pbuh) and his family (as).
We, Ahlul Bayt (chosen descendants of the Holy Prophet), hold such central and balancing position in religion that those who are deficient in understanding and acting upon its principles, will have to come to us for reformation, and those who are overdoing it have got to learn moderation from us.
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Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad:
** awfully presumptuous.... on one side was Ayesha, the other Ali.. leave Allah out of it.. he never ordered infighting over political power.
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Please analyze the hadith in Sahih Bukhari for yrself.
The hadith states that the believers had two choices - one that of Aisha's or the other one, that of Allah's (swt) path.
These are not my words nor any presumption on my part.
ws
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Originally posted by Degas:
** .. why u asking him bout Hazrat Ali (RA) .. he doesnt follow him.. he follows those miscreats who fabricated false stories of noramal events.. all sahabas including Hazrat Ali(RA) were normal human beings but followed Prophet Muhammads Sunnah to succeed.. read a1sha's venom in his post below for Hazrat Ayesha (RA)
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Dear Degas;
Again, the hadith is sahih and is in Sahih Bukhari.
Please examine the contents for yrself.
ws
John,
You will find the hadith at the link below. The hadith says Him refers to Allah.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/057.sbt.html
May Allah (swt) reward yr efforts.
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Originally posted by ahmadjee:
**a1shah,
Please explain why do you think Hazrat Ali (ra) knowing all the above still respected Hazrat Aysha (ra) and took the bait of Hazrat Abu Bakar (ra) & all the other succeeding khulafah?!**
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Dear sister;
Pls read the following sermon delivered by Imam Ali (as) from Nahjul Balagah - a source deemed as authentic by both shia and sunni scholars.
You will find the answers to your question in there, inshalla. I have highlighted certain important sections of the sermon in bold for better understanding.
Known as the Sermon of ash-Shiqshiqiyyah
Beware! By Allah the son of Abu Quhafah (Abu Bakr)dressed himself with it (the caliphate) and he certainly knew that my position in relation to it was the same as the position of the axis in relation to the hand-mill.
The flood water flows down from me and the bird cannot fly upto me. I put a curtain against the caliphate and kept myself detached from it.
Then I began to think whether I should assault or endure calmly the blinding darkness of tribulations wherein the grown up are made feeble and the young grow old and the true believer acts under strain till he meets Allah (on his death). I found that endurance thereon was wiser. So I adopted patience although there was pricking in the eye and suffocation (of mortification) in the throat. I watched the plundering of my inheritance till the first one went his way but handed over the Caliphate to Ibn al-Khattab after himself.
It is strange that during his (Abu Baker's) lifetime he wished to be released from the caliphate but he confirmed it for the other (Umar) one after his death. No doubt these two shared its udders strictly among themselves. This one put the Caliphate in a tough enclosure where the utterance was haughty and the touch was rough. Mistakes were in plenty and so also the excuses therefore. One in contact with it was like the rider of an unruly camel. If he pulled up its rein the very nostril would be slit, but if he let it loose he would be thrown. Consequently, by Allah people got involved in recklessness, wickedness, unsteadiness and deviation.
Nevertheless, I remained patient despite length of period and stiffness of trial, till when he (Umar) went his way (of death) he put the matter (of Caliphate) in a groupand regarded me to be one of them. But good Heavens! what had I to do with this "consultation"? Where was any doubt about me with regard to the first of them that I was now considered akin to these ones? But I remained low when they were low and flew high when they flew high. One of them turned against me because of his hatred and the other got inclined the other way due to his in-law relationship and this thing and that thing, till the third man (Usman) of these people stood up with heaving breasts between his dung and fodder. With him his children of his grand-father, (Umayyah) also stood up swallowing up Allah's wealth[5] like a camel devouring the foliage of spring, till his rope broke down, his actions finished him and his gluttony brought him down prostrate.
At that moment, nothing took me by surprise, but the crowd of people rushing to me. It advanced towards me from every side like the mane of the hyena so much so that Hasan and Husayn were getting crushed and both the ends of my shoulder garment were torn. They collected around me like the herd of sheep and goats. **When I took up the reins of government one party broke away and another turned disobedient while the rest began acting wrongfully **as if they had not heard the word of Allah saying:
That abode in the hereafter, We assign it for those who intend not to exult themselves in the earth, nor (to make) mischief (therein); and the end is (best) for the pious ones.
(Qur'an, 28:83)
Yes, by Allah, they had heard it and understood it but the world appeared glittering in their eyes and its embellishments seduced them.
Behold, by Him who split the grain (to grow) and created living beings, if people had not come to me and supporters had not exhausted the argument and if there had been no pledge of Allah with the learned to the effect that they should not acquiesce in the gluttony of the oppressor and the hunger of the oppressed I would have cast the rope of Caliphate on its own shoulders, and would have given the last one the same treatment as to the first one. Then you would have seen that in my view this world of yours is no better than the sneezing of a goat.
ws
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Great. Yet another thread started that intends to highlight the differences between Sunnis and Shias. Yet another thread that will fan the flames of hatred further and drive the Ummah further and further apart.
Thank you very much to all in this thread.
Sahih Muslim Hadith Hadith 6688 Narrated by Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman
Qays reported: ** I said to Ammar: What is your opinion about that which you have done in case (of your siding with Ali)?** Is it your personal opinion or something you got from Allah's Apostle? ** Ammar said: We have got nothing from Allah's Apostle which people at large did not get, but Hudhayfah told me that Allah`s Apostle (peace be upon him) had especially told him amongst his Companion, that there are twelve hypocrites out of whom eight would not get into Paradise, ** until a camel would be able to pass through the needle hole. The ulcer would be itself sufficient (to kill) eight. (So far as four are concerned, I do not remember what Shu'bah said about them.)
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Hadith 9.221 Narrated by Abu Wail
'Ammar stood on the pulpit at Kufa and mentioned 'Aisha and her coming (to Busra) and said, ** "She is the wife of your Prophet in this world and in the Hereafter, but you people are being put to test in this issue." **
Sahih Muslim Book 031, Number 5915:
This hadith has been narrated. on the authority of Shu'ba with the same chain of transmitters. Amir b. Sa'd b. Abi Waqqas reported on the authority of his father that Muawiya b. Abi Sufyin appointed Sa'd as the Governor and said: What prevents you from abusing Abu Turab (Hadrat 'Ali), whereupon be said: It is because of three things which I remember Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said about him that I would not abuse him and even if I find one of those three things for me, it would be more dear to me than the red camelg.** I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) say about 'Ali as he left behind hrin in one of his campaigns (that was Tabuk). 'Ali said to him: Allah's Messenger, you leave me behind along with women and children. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to him: Aren't you satisfied with being unto me what Aaron was unto Moses but with this exception that there is no Prophet hood after me. ** And I (also) heard him say on the Day of Khaibar: I would certainly give this standard to a person who loves Allah and his Messenger and Allah and his Messenger love him too. He (the narrator) said: We have been anxiously waiting for it, when he (the Holy Prophet) said: Call 'Ali. He was called and his eyes were inflamed. He applied saliva to his eyes and handed over the standard to him, and Allah gave him victory. (The third occasion is this) when the (following) verse was revealed:" Let us summon our children and your children." Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) called 'Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Husain and said: O Allah, they are my family.
Brother MD;
We are only discussing the differences in schools of thought. There is no animosity of hatred. It is a discussion amongst brothers and sisters.
MD; Have you read the hadiths posted here ? What are yr thoughts ?
We are one ummat trying to follow the guided path, the path of those who were rightly guided.
Ibrahim; Good post. The hadiths show the supremity of the holy prophet’s (pbuh) household.
May Allah (swt) guide all muslims to the path of truth.
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Originally posted by Ibrahim:
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Sahih Muslim Book 031, Number 5915:
This hadith has been narrated. on the authority of Shu'ba with the same chain of transmitters. Amir b. Sa'd b. Abi Waqqas reported on the authority of his father that Muawiya b. Abi Sufyin appointed Sa'd as the Governor and said: What prevents you from abusing Abu Turab (Hadrat 'Ali), whereupon be said: It is because of three things which I remember Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said about him that I would not abuse him and even if I find one of those three things for me, it would be more dear to me than the red camelg. I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) say about 'Ali as he left behind hrin in one of his campaigns (that was Tabuk). 'Ali said to him: Allah's Messenger, you leave me behind along with women and children. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to him: Aren't you satisfied with being unto me what Aaron was unto Moses but with this exception that there is no Prophet hood after me. And I (also) heard him say on the Day of Khaibar: I would certainly give this standard to a person who loves Allah and his Messenger and Allah and his Messenger love him too. He (the narrator) said: We have been anxiously waiting for it, when he (the Holy Prophet) said: Call 'Ali. He was called and his eyes were inflamed. He applied saliva to his eyes and handed over the standard to him, and Allah gave him victory. (The third occasion is this) when the (following) verse was revealed:" Let us summon our children and your children." Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) called 'Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Husain and said: O Allah, they are my family.**
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Mashalla,
Beautiful hadith.
Glory be to Allah (swt) and His blessings be upon our noble prophet (pbuh) and his holy ahl-bait (as).
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Originally posted by a1shah:Ibrahim; Good post. The hadiths show the supremity of the holy prophet's (pbuh) household.
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Ibrahim says: salaams to all
A1shah!! ** the Hadiths I posted reveals your misconceptions and deception. ** So read them again compare them with what you have been trying to convey in this thread. As usual you seem to have a serious case of ** “ Self delusion” ** which No doctor can cure unless Allah (swt) had so willed for you.
A1shah, Your problem my dear is:-
Read
Surah 5:
Surah 26
221 ** Shall I inform you (O people!) on whom it is that the evil ones descend? **
222 ** They descend on every lying wicked person **
Surah 9:
77 ** So He hath put as a consequence hypocrisy into their hearts (to last) till the day whereon they shall meet Him:** because they broke their covenant with Allah and ** because they lied (again and again). **
Surah 39:
32 ** Who then doth more wrong than one who utters a lie concerning Allah and rejects the truth when it comes to him? ** Is there not in Hell an abode for blasphemers?
Was salaam
Ibrahim
** Learn from the Past, NOT live in it !**