They would rush to ridicule you IF you challenge their worldview?
why?
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Insecurity? shrugs
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What does disbeliever mean?
I don’t think there exist anyone like disbeliever. Everyone got his/her belief. Even atheist believe in non-existence of God.
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^ a disbeliever is anyone who does NOT believe in what you believe…
…like, for Hindus, we are disbelievers
…for Muslims, everyone else is a non-believer
…for monotheists who believe in ONE God, the polytheists who believe in multiple gods are non-believers.
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lol…kettle calling pot black.
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Who is a disbeliever ? To me, anyone who does not believe what I believe is a disbeliever.
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disbeliever is a person who refuses to believe something or who lacks religious faith.
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You said about monotheists and polytheists but not the atheists. that means you knew what I meant but i dont you know why you skipped it.
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More interesting is when some claim to come from sufi background where everyone is loved and respected, does otherwise.
If sufism is anything good, you must be a dark side of it.
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I make a distinction between a person of no faith from a disbeliever, in that the person of no faith may not have yet been exposed to concepts which would inculcate in him to ask the question of faith. However, the disbeliever is the one who REJECTS belief when it has been presented to him in a way that would be compelling and convincing.
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To believe is accepting things when they make sense. You might believe a thing which make sense but the literatim or scientific details are not available for that believe.
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well said. in other words, rejection of a belief even if it makes sense.
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Bro … I guess you have a good opinion about Sufism or is it that you are judging it by what hareem01 says? For the record I said that Sufis don’t do that to her … and she said, “I’m not a Sufi” … She will defend the Sufis and the way of tassuwwuf, but she does not claim to be one … :halo: That sort of removes her from that line of criticism doesn’t it?
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there is another category of disbelievers, ones who find the reasons to believe in disbelieve.
Some people have a tendency of trying always to disapprove whatever religion claims.
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The Arabic word Kaafir comes from a deeper meaning which includes:
The person who prevents himself from being exposed or prevents entertaining the claim of truth or guidance. He covers over his intellect denying himself from dealing fairly or rationally or freely with the news of belief - due to matters of self-deceptive pre-conceived notions.
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When i see people having patience like you I would think there must be some good in sufism. but why it happens people who defends sufism are always bent on criticizing others (say ghair muqaladain). Its not specific to sister hareem, i see so many people around in my real life.
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Our Sufi masters tell us that there are people who dislike the label Sufi but are more “sufi” than many who claim to be so - i.e. they are higher in ma’rifa than many people who practice the routines. Many people will take the tariqah out of convenience, partisanship, belonging, disassociation to other groups, for protection, etc … but only those who are serious about seeking the path of ma’rifa will benefit in their roundedness. The true mureed is the one who aspires to follow in the footsteps of the awliya. That means strictness on self and lenience on others - absolute Sunnah and absolute sublimity of character - or the motivated intent for these things. Taking a Shaykh in tariqah is recommended for all people regardless because they are somewhat protected from major dangers. Many people are in a mixed boat and each one is at a different place on his journey to God.
What I like about my masters and what my wife likes about our masters - who are Sufi … is that they are the ones who love all and show no hatred. The rest of us aspire to be like them. If you want to see the benefit of Sufism look to our great masters today and in antiquity … Without any bias I see them as being the ones who contributed most positively to Islam and most sincerely reflected Peace from the meaning of Islam and extracted rahma from the example of RasoolAllah (SAW). If I look to all of the masters or leaders of any Muslim group … I continue to find the best being among those who are pro-tassuwwuf.
And it only makes sense … we are explicitly trying to drive out desires and evil traits and employ routines to remain deaf to the Satanic whispers … we talk to our inner selves and try to subdue it … and that is science of tassawwuf in a nutshell … It would be insane to argue the opposite would result or evil would result in taking such actions.
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Azajali
go and read your posts and also the ones in my blog…see how you always throw the term “Sufi” as a slur at me. You don’t have any tameez to talk to women so don’t expect any respect for yourself in return.
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I’m sorry for hurting you back with my words. I would try to avoid arguing with you in future.
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So basically an atheist ?