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A lot of people get sensitive if their worldly view is challenged. We have had religious people murdering others left right and center as a result for what they perceive as ‘blasphemy’ but the generalisation in that case would be wrong too.
I would give the same reply here if someone made a thread saying ‘common traits of believers’.
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You missed the point which is ridiculing or getting personal.
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So, who is not a disbeliever among various sects…each believe that others are kafar?
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If a person were to announce himself as atheist and renounce his faith in a church or a mosque or synagogue full of worshipers wouldn’t he be ridiculed? Non believers are ridiculed everywhere as the future residents of hell, isn’t that getting personal?
Your point was:
And my reply was that don’t religious people do the same? Some resort to even killings to defend their worldly view. I didn’t miss the point at all. I would say the same thing if an atheist made a thread. The gross generalisations, of which ironically us Muslims are the regular target of, should never be made.
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I am talking about social behavior and intellectual discourse, you guys missing that point.
Calling someone Kafir is neither a trait nor is it learnt from social circles. It is verdict given by some scholars that who is kafir and who is not, taught to students. but that is different topic altogether. you are reinforcing invalid point.
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How is this not social behavior? Below are my two earlier quotes:
Noone said anything about calling anyone a kafir, don’t put words in my mouth. I specifically stated that in the above example the renouncer of religion would face far worse slurs and abuse than a simple ‘you’re kafir get out’. He would be shunned from his community, face possible death threats and in countries like Pakistan or any Arab country face possible death. How is that not ridicule or even worse?
How is this not social behavior? And I apologise but you suddenly shifted the goal posts and claim that ‘oh I meant in intellectual discourse’. So killing in the name of defending the religion is far less worse than what some atheist would say in a discussion?
You are the one missing the point. Your original post mentioned the word ‘ridicule’ and my reply is in that context. As for intellectual discourse, in a debate between an atheist and a religious person the former will obviously say the latter’s beliefs are silly or he will say that all religion is false. If the topic is about religion and about establishing its truth then in a discussion or a debate how is an atheist’s view point constituted as being ridicule?
If your topic is about bigoted idiots like Bill Maher or Sam Harris then sure I agree, but from what I read and I apologise if I am wrong, your post came across as a crass geenralisation.
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Now if you meant this by your OP, then yes I agree 100%. And this brand of new atheism is pretty bigoted.
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Now-a-days, many “believers” take the lead in ridiculing others. Believer and disbeliever are relative terms and problems arise out of self-centeredness and self-righteousness when you are unable to see beyond your nose irrespective of which clan you belong to
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just be glad they dont rush to kill you if you challenge their little blind faith ideas.
why did your believers bomb a shia mosque today?
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You just proved my point correct 
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is your faith based on proof? if not, it is blind. no need to feel offended, just a basic fact.
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If you challenge someones worldview, they will challenge yours. If you ridicule someones worldview, they will ridicule yours. You can’t generalize “believers” any more than you can generalize “disbelievers” on this issue. Both are as liable to ridicule if challenged/ridiculed.
Personally I believe its best to apply the principle of live and let live, and listen to some qawwali
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You do not understand what is called faith. Faith does not depend on empirical proof where things can makes sense. The system of life and hereafter is in place for making this world a better place. People will get reward and punishments following their deeds.
And you think i didnt know this “basic fact” from you? how many times you have mentioned it here? why do you even bother to tell me that when I dont tell you that there is God? This is worst thing with disbelievers that they have no purpose but the purpose of making mischief, live a purposeless life and keep on trying always to make others look bad.
I dont think you will feel any shame and answer these questions but you will keep blaming religion.
You cannot see disbelievers oppressing powerless people for gaining power. What is disbelievers of USA looking for in Taiwan? Why China the country of disbelievers is oppressing Muslims? why disbelievers Russia is oppressing Ukraine? Why US is supporting Ukarine and Taiwan, for God’s sake or for power?
Why these disbelievers’ countries fight each other, for power or for religion?
US and Russia have interest in Syria, for power of for religion?
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a big LOL. bhaijaan, you are only muslim because you were born in a muslim family. no need to be a hater.
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quoting my post again.
“I dont think you will feel any shame and answer these questions but you will keep blaming religion.”
For other point. one of God’s attribute is He is the most forgiver. He might forgive those who born in other religions and put sincere efforts to find moral truth.
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sorry - no clue what you are talking about pal. i just liked how you wrote an essay making excuses for blind faith though.
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“US and Russia have interest in Syria, for power or for religion?”
this simple bit? 
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Does it matter if oppression is based on power/geopolitics or religion? Isn’t oppressing others wrong regardless?
And if its ok to oppress people on basis of religion, whos religion should prevail, and why? (Rhetorical question)
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Religion is very much part of the conflict in middle east. Far right wing christians and jews in the west (and Israel) vs certain type of muslims in the muslim world.
Obviously the real issue is about land, resources, power, money, geostrategical gains and so on.
Religion is (for the most part)
a tool to manipulate and control the zealots, in this conflict.
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The real issue is about resources and power, you agree. Thanks.