Re: Commission report**no women included*103 killed in Lal Masjid,
so musharraf was right all along and the media has decided to ignore the report
Re: Commission report**no women included*103 killed in Lal Masjid,
off topic, but why one who recite Quran should not be relied on?
I once read that the Khawarij assassin of Hazrat Ali (ra) recited the Quran constantly from when he was arrested to when he was executed. Could he be relied on?
Re: Commission report**no women included*103 killed in Lal Masjid,
Whoever thinks these were ‘normal’ people they’re out of their minds. I disagree only with the timing of the operation. Musharraf should have acted much faster and not waited 6 months & let the problem escalate
A mosque is not a place for storing weapons!
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Re: Commission report**no women included*103 killed in Lal Masjid,
^^^ aap nay kiya yaad dila diya about army of Khwarij the companion of Burqa posh. 
Anyone who says that Khwarijs of Lal-Masjid were unarmed innocent students then they are out of their mind for sure. Let see some pictures of these Khwarjis:
Re: Commission report**no women included*103 killed in Lal Masjid,
And Gems:
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Re: Commission report**no women included*103 killed in Lal Masjid,
So these are Nawaz Sharif's 'innocent bachay'. Lets see if Nawaz Sharif is held answerable for all these and many other false accusations against army.
Re: Commission report**no women included*103 killed in Lal Masjid,
The Commission comprised of a Maulvi judge. He was appointed in the hope that he would endorse Terrorists Abdul Aziz and his wife's narrative of thousands innocent girls killed. Mercifully, he could not find a single woman killed in operation. The government was duty-bound to carry out this operation to rid the capital of the terrorists. Bravo Mush for a couragious operation. The report exonerates Mush of the false accusations.
Re: Commission report**no women included*103 killed in Lal Masjid,
I once read that the Khawarij assassin of Hazrat Ali (ra) recited the Quran constantly from when he was arrested to when he was executed. Could he be relied on?
I was talking of the use of words drama in one sentence and reliability of those who recite Quran in next sentence. No one is perfect, but religion and religious practices should not be referred while condemning someones acts IMO.
Re: Commission report**no women included*103 killed in Lal Masjid,
The Commission comprised of a Maulvi judge. He was appointed in the hope that he would endorse Terrorists Abdul Aziz and his wife's narrative of thousands innocent girls killed. Mercifully, he could not find a single woman killed in operation. The government was duty-bound to carry out this operation to rid the capital of the terrorists. Bravo Mush for a couragious operation. The report exonerates Mush of the false accusations.
I'm no fan of Mushy, but he did the right thing in this case. Problem is there are propagandists here and else where who benefits from this stuff. Over last many years over 40k people have been killed by terrorists in Pakistan. No commission or inquires have been launched by the CJ or the SC. Why? People who are defending terrorists/Taliban should be shunned and marginalized. They do not believe in rule of law or have respect for others opinion, but cry loudly that their rights have be oppressed.
Re: Commission report**no women included*103 killed in Lal Masjid,
One known woman Mother of Burqa posh was killed inside
Where are the 100s of women & children that you claimed were killed in this operation? The govt from the start was saying that 92 people were killed inside the terrorists sanctuary, and 11 commandos were also killed.
Re: Commission report**no women included*103 killed in Lal Masjid,
Not a fan of Mushy but in this instance he was right. There were terrorists in the mosque and they challenged the state, they paid the price. What would have nawaz done, surrender Pakistan to these terrorists. The operation was right and we should be proud of our army who cleansed the place from these idiots.
Re: Commission report**no women included*103 killed in Lal Masjid,
So in summary are you guys arguing if it is right to free a mosque filled with terrorists and their sympathizers, who kept many people hostage for months, took law in their own hand, challenged the writ of the state, killed over a dozen soldiers, kidnapped policemen and lie in court?
No wonder you guys are so divided. Elsewhere there would be no argument.
Re: Commission report**no women included*103 killed in Lal Masjid,
Musharraf should be tried for treason for signing the NRO, allowing perrenial crooks like BB, Zardari and NS to come in with a clean slate.
Lal Masjid operation and operation against Bugti were the need of the hour. Nothing wrong or criminal has been found in them.
Re: Commission report**no women included*103 killed in Lal Masjid,
Everyone is talking here whatever agenda suits them. Ex Generals have warned bloody civilians. He is criminal for violating constitution. That is the biggest charge against him. Rests are peanunts. IK is also part of NRO as he supported Mush in violating the constitution.
Ex-generals warn against humiliating Musharraf | Newspaper | DAWN.COM
Ex-generals warn against humiliating Musharraf
I****SLAMABAD: As the complainant in the judges detention case filed another petition for the transfer of former president General (retired) Pervez Musharraf to the Central Jail Adiala, ex-generals warned that the army would not tolerate if the lawyers continued pushing their former chief to the wall.
The complainant in the judges detention case through his lawyer Chaudhry Mohammad Ashraf Gujjar maintained in the petition filed with the Islamabad High Court that after dismissal of the pre-arrest bail petition of Mr Musharraf, chief commissioner Islamabad Tariq Mehmood Pirzada and inspector general of Islamabad police Bani Amin Khan had extended undue favour to the former president by declaring his Chak Shahzad farmhouse as a sub-jail.
The petition said the accused did not join the investigation despite the court directions. Mr Musharraf was a proclaimed offender and being an accused in a terrorism-related offence, he was not entitled to being kept at a place other than the Adiala Jail.
He requested the court to set aside the notification of April 20 according to which the residence of the former general has been declared as a sub-jail.
When contacted, Qamar Afzal, the counsel for Mr Musharraf, said the lawyers were dragging the former president in the courts for their own publicity.
He alleged that during the hearings the lawyers did not maintain the decorum of the court and passed unethical remarks and even used abusive language against the former president of Pakistan.
According to him, the lawyers trying to humiliate the former president wanted to get publicity by indulging in such unethical practices.
Talking to Dawn, defence analyst General (retired) Jamshed Ayaz said the military was closely monitoring the situation. He said at least nine corps commanders currently serving in the army were promoted during the Musharraf regime.
He claimed that Musharraf still enjoyed support within the army ranks and the incumbent army chief General Ashfaq Pervaiz Kayani should play a role to save Mr Musharraf from such a humiliation.
“Otherwise Musharraf’s sympathisers may intervene to rescue the former military chief,” he added.
General (retired) Faiz Ali Chishti, the president of the ex-servicemen society, was of the view that Musharraf has to face the court in case he had done something wrong but the lawyers should not be allowed to treat him as a criminal.
“An accused, in the eye of law, remains innocent until or unless he is proved guilty,” he said, adding after proving the charge against the accused courts announce its verdicts and it was executed by the law enforcement agencies and the lawyers’ role was only to assist the courts.
But in the case of former president Gen Musharraf, the black coats are trying to take the law into their own hands which is not acceptable, he further said.
There was, however, some division among the ex-servicemen over the treatment of Mr Musharraf. Brigadier (retired) Mian Mohammad Mehmood, a representative of retired army officers association, claimed that there was no sympathy for Gen Musharraf within the ex-servicemen. He said Musharraf was reaping what he had sown in 2007 when he sacked the judges of the superior judiciary.
“We were with the lawyers and the civil society during the movement for restoration of the judges and rendered sacrifices for the supremacy of the law,” said Brig Mehmood.
He, however, added that the lawyers should show decency during the appearance of Mr Musharraf in the courts to prove that they had fought for the supremacy of the law and let the court to decide the fate of the former dictator.
Former chief of the army staff General (retired) Aslam Baig, on the other hand, said the army would not tolerate these developments after a certain level.
He told Dawn that certain quarters were encouraging the lawyers against the former military chief. “Otherwise they could not dare to humiliate the former COAS who ruled the country for more than a decade,” he added.
According to him, certain elements laid a trap for Musharraf while he was abroad by giving him an impression through the social media that the whole country was waiting for him and he would be warmly welcomed upon arrival in Pakistan.
After his arrival, planned and coordinated efforts are being made to humiliate him and to provoke the military by dragging the institution into unnecessary litigation along with Gen Musharraf, he added.
“The situation may turn dangerous if the lawyers continued to humiliate the former military chief and tried to drag the institution into the courts,” he added.
According to senior analyst Ayesha Siddiqa, army had tried to stop Gen Musharraf from coming back to Pakistan but the former general ignored the advice.
She said the army would not come to his rescue because it would again destroy its image if it tried any adventure.
The army after consistent efforts is restoring its image and to some extent has achieved certain targets and it cannot undo this for the sake of Mr Musharraf, she added.
Senior journalist Imtiaz Gul also thought that army would not step into the controversy just to rescue Musharraf.
He said the violent act of black coats was itself damaging their repute in the public as it appeared that instead of the courts they were intending to punish Musharraf for his wrongdoings.
Syed Qalbe Hassan, the vice-chairman of Pakistan Bar Council (PBC), the apex body of the lawyers, said the Supreme Court was examining the ‘high treason’ charges against Musharraf and senior lawyers were presenting their arguments for and against the former military ruler before the apex court.
He said ‘a few lawyers’ under their ‘hidden agenda’ were bringing a bad name to the entire legal fraternity by humiliating the former general.
They are pressuring Musharraf because they wanted him to leave the country without facing the trial, he added.
He suggested that Musharraf should be tried for 1999 coup and those generals and judges who facilitated and validated his unconstitutional steps in 1999 and in 2007 would be dealt with in accordance with the law
Re: Commission report**no women included*103 killed in Lal Masjid,
Musharraf should be tried for treason for signing the NRO, allowing perrenial crooks like BB, Zardari and NS to come in with a clean slate.
Lal Masjid operation and operation against Bugti were the need of the hour. Nothing wrong or criminal has been found in them.
Its the public who elected these crooks ...so blame ur self not him
Re: Commission report**no women included*103 killed in Lal Masjid,
i'm happy at least masses here has said "aamanna saddaqna" on this report prepared by a pakistani commission/ judge... i hope we see similar acceptance for reports on Abbottabad commission, Memogate, Media funding, asghar khan, karachi violence and queta unresst... we tend to pick and choose in everything, even in court decisions and reports. when it suites our opinion we love it, when it goes against, we loath it
Re: Commission report**no women included*103 killed in Lal Masjid,
Everyone is talking here whatever agenda suits them. Ex Generals have warned bloody civilians. He is criminal for violating constitution. That is the biggest charge against him. Rests are peanunts. IK is also part of NRO as he supported Mush in violating the constitution.
Bull.
Ex Generals are right in what they are saying. Everyone is trying to make a scapegoat out of Musharraf over a piece of paper called the constitution of Pakistan, which is trampled on by the civilian governments 100 times every single day. And essentially, going against the constitution is treason, so all civilian rulers should be hanged to death.
According to the constitution,
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166. Borrowing by Federal Government.
The executive authority of the Federation extends to borrowing upon the security of the Federal Consolidated Fund within such limits, if any, as may from time to time be fixed by Act of [155A] [Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament)], and to the giving of guarantees within such limits, if any, as may be so fixed.
167. Borrowing by Provincial Government.
(1) Subject to the provisions of this Article, the executive authority of a Province extends to borrowing upon the security of the Provincial Consolidated Fund within such limits, if any, as may from time to time be fixed by Act of the Provincial Assembly, and to the giving of guarantees within such limits, if any, as may be so fixed.
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The federal and provincial governments have borrowed beyond their limits so many times during this tenure that pigs have started flying. And regarding Imran's referendum vote on Musharraf, please find another hobby.
Re: Commission report**no women included*103 killed in Lal Masjid,
Its the public who elected these crooks ...so blame ur self not him
I did not vote for PPP. But at the end of the day, the argument was not about voting for these crooks. My beef with Musharraf is about clearing their cases.
Re: Commission report**no women included*103 killed in Lal Masjid,
so musharraf handed over presidency to zardari ?? loll.. and no one voted for ppp 
Re: Commission report**no women included*103 killed in Lal Masjid,
lol at your selective bias. What about PPPParliamentarians?
PML-Q and MQM were the biggest beneficiaries of Musharraf’s rule followed by PPPP. BB too voiced her support for the 1999 coup live on BBC the day of the coup! IK had no hand in the initial coup and his support for Musharraf came much later in 2002 when he supported his referendum. In hindsight Imran should have stayed neutral. **The people who abetted the coup, all the generals who made it possible plus the PCO judges (incl. present CJ) who validated it must all be held to account. **They can’t just look at the 2007 emergency in isolation