Well if nothing specific is laid out, job done innit.
Exactly.
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I don't agree anything of the sort. I'm not the one pushing religion here, if I wanted to see everything according to Islam I'd probably go to an Islamic forum where there were no Shor Sharabas or Image galleries.
Now what action do you want taken, against whom and why? You can't expect us to do it without being provided the necessary details.
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Honestly, I feel like banging my head against the wall. Once again, even though this is a Pakistani board, not an Islamic discussion board, Islam still has to come in because the majority of people in Pakistan are Muslims.
What action do I want taken and against whom and why? Some people have named certain people. I didn't name anyone because I didn't wanna name anyone and pin point at some people who I don't know personally. I haven't seen those people do anything very recently in the religion forum but I do have seen them in the past. They were mocking at the Prophet and some teachings of Islam. If you ask me to go find the posts and post a link here, sorry I can't do that because those threads have been either removed or edited.
Well If those insults have already been taken care of, why am I still whining? I am whining because I don't want those people (not specifically the ones named here but any insutler in general) on this board because this gives them another chance to repeat their previous behavior even though they may have "promised" not to do so.
And the answer to your third question "Why I want the action taken" should've been pretty obvious to you in my opinion, but I'll repeat it. I want those people who Insult Islam (or any religion but since we are talking about Islam, I'll mention Islam here) or its teachings banned for good because I don't have a big heart as our GS team does to hear the insults. Yes, if they other person doesn't know anything about Islam or has a question, he/she may ask in a respectful manner but if he/she is going to ask a question by mocking, making fun, or insulting the religion, I don't think he should be provided the answer. He should be banned and taught a lesson. Why such strict behavior? Because if he/she was interested in LEARNING, he would have some respect and ask the question keeping his tone a bit respectful.
I hope I've clarified everything AGAIN.
Does that mean Shias should be banned for not respecting all of the companions or Prophet's wives then?
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Does that mean Shias should be banned for not respecting all of the companions or Prophet's wives then?
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Go drown yourself.:D
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Go drown yourself.:D
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Why can't the rest of you be this specific?
Insult Islam = permanent ban
So how are you going to determine what’s an insult and what isn’t an insult?? You have your direct, in your face insults. Fair enough.
On the otherhand, you also have people TELLING you that your views are an insult to Islam cause you don’t agree with a particular hadith, or hold different views, etc. I guess maybe Shias and Ahmedis would fall into this category since their mere existence, according to some posters here, is an insult to God?? Other than the people who directly insult Islam, how are you going to determine who to ban from the other group of people described above who are said by others to be insulting Islam?
That being said, it’s funny how certain individuals here are pushing for a more Islamic forum, yet these same individuals drool over girls/models in the image galleries. 
I think we should focus on the forum policy, it's there, is it being adhered to, specific examples of where people think things are going wrong?
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Does that mean Shias should be banned for not respecting all of the companions or Prophet's wives then?
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I am not too sure if you don't understand the differnce between "insult" (not respecting) and "not believing" or you are just acting. Yes, you need to ban ANYONE that disrespects ANYTHING that has to do with Islam. But if someone doesn't believe in something that Sunni Muslims do, why in the world would you wanna ban that person?!? Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and religion. Again, **there is a difference between "disrespecting" and "not believing". If you don't know what that is, please visit www.dictionary.com
No offence to Shias on this board: Since you used Shias for example, let's talk about them. They have a different kalma (from what I heard). I don't go to Shias and say "Look man, your kalma is wrong" or anything worse. If I say that, ban me. That's their belief. It's between them and Allah. If they tell me they have a different kalma, I am okay with it. It's fine with me. I may disagree with them by saying "This is the proper kalma (what I read) in Islam according to sunnis" but I will never ever say something like "Go drown yourself or you are going to hell" because I am no one to say that.
And I see you replied to MQ's post but ignored Digital Surgeon's reference. When someone gives you all a reference or pin point the wrong, you ignore that and NO there are NO Exceptions in the team. When someone doesn't provide the reference, then the team whines about not having a link to the problem and lie by saying "I don't know what you are talking about. Send the PM to the mod". Would you please care to explain that?
Alright. I think its about time I make my entrance again. Thanks to all those who provided their valuable input. Appreciate it, really. I’ll focus on the last message.
This is correct. The forum policies are there for all to read and adhere, and for mods to enforce. Then again, like all policies is subject to the judgement of person enforcing it.
We have some people who get offended when someone does not put :saw: after the name of the Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). On the other hand there are people who downright post attacks on the personality of the Prophet (Peace be Upon Him). In my view, there is a line in the sand, somewhere in the middle.
Many people are expressing frustration at the moderation cz of supposed insults posted against religious figures. There can be three reasons for it.
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The moderator never read the offensive post. Yeah, I know its shameful :o cz thats what mods get paid to do
still this is the one that is most easily rectifiable. Just take a moment of your time and drop a PM to a mod of your choice and post the URL of the thread/post. That will ensure that the relevant mod reads the post and takes action. -
The moderator read the post but didn’t deem it offensive enough to take action. This is tricky. In many cases, action is taken and in some cases the comment is let go in order to answer it appropriately. Sometimes these post allow us the perfect place to present our viewpoint and refute the argument of the other. Removing them, easy though it is, will kill the purpose of having a forum where we can exchange ideas. Then again, if you see a mod participating in such discussion and not removing what you deem as offensive material, please drop the mod a PM giving your view point on the specific post or else point it out in the thread.
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The moderator himself or herself is posting insults and violating the forum policies. This is really inexcusable. Fortunately, I don’t think there are any examples of such behavior. But if you see one, please drop a PM to the Admin with specific post and your viewpoint. Hopefully action can be taken quickly.
still this is the one that is most easily rectifiable. Just take a moment of your time and drop a PM to a mod of your choice and post the URL of the thread/post. That will ensure that the relevant mod reads the post and takes action.The last point is that no doubt majority of people on this forum are muslims, and that includes all moderators. So natually there is a bias towards Islam. We all want to protect it and promote it. See my first post in the thread Religion Forum. I have given my views on the topic. At the same time, we want to promote a dialogue with the people who are not muslims. So there is some lattitude provided to discuss stuff. I don’t want to make it a cut-paste-first post-and-endless-“Jazak-Allah”-to-fill-the-rest-of-the-thread-forum. If someone wants to see that, they are obviously at a wrong place. I mean this with utmost sincerity. That is not my view of the forum. Promote Islam through our words and our posts. However, if we see someone just taking a crap here, those will be removed.
Permnanent bans are not an appealing option right now cz we don’t function that way. Anyone who has ever operated an internet based discussion forum will tell you in the present time of dynamic IP’s, IP spoofing etc, its impractical and almost a complete waste of time and energies.
You think this is funny and okay?
http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=146708#post2428587
huh? Where did I say any of this was “funny” and “o.k.”???
I was actually referring to you in the last paragraph of my last post. What I find really funny is you giving thumbs up and posting " :love: " smilies at girls in the image gallery and then preaching Islamic values over here.
Anyway, that isn’t my point. I’m all for getting rid of religious intolerance and religion bashing. That should be applied for all religions and ethnic groups though, not just Islam and Pakistanis.
I am glad you got personal before I did. Let’s talk about it.
Since when have you started judging people based on who drools in the image forum and who doesn’t? Do those freaking smilies present to you my character? Bravo! I never said I myself am a good Muslim. Show me where I said that. Neither have I said it’s right to give drooling comments on girls. Show me where I said that. I have admitted SEVERAL TIMES that what I do is purely for fun sake and is wrong Islamically. I feel sorry for people like you who take 2 seconds to judge somebody’s character. This reply of mine is for you as well (check the long reply towards the end of the page).
http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=141140&perpage=30&pagenumber=2
However, I am against it when someone insults my religion. I don’t care about how bad of a Muslim I am, but my zameer is not dead yet. You wanna talk about what I do about in certain forum? If I wanted to and really had time to waste on you (which I don’t), I am sure I would come up with a lot of comments from you of such type as well. But I wouldn’t bother because I don’t have time for such lame thing.
I never asked you whether you offer prayer everyday or not. I never asked you what you do in your real life and how many na-mehrams you see/meet/talk to. Why? Because it’s none of my business. Likewise, what I do in my life is not of your business. Are we straight on that?
The conclusion: This thread is about Defending the religion when someone insults it. This thread is not about how good/bad we are in everyday life and why we should not “preach Islamic values” if we use those freaking smilies in images forum, got that?
And yeah, about your second paragraph in this quoted post: I’ve already said that no insult should be tolerated of any religion, not only of Islam.
Piece of advice: Next time don’t be too quick to judge anyone based on one bad thing that he/she does and realizes that it’s wrong because you are no pious either, ok?
The reply to that is here:
Let’s use faisal’s example that he gave. Someone getting offended when people don’t use :saw: with Prophet Mohammad’s (PBUH) name. You can’t ban anyone for that. However, you SHOULD ban someone if they make fun of him (The Prophet (PBUH). Another example is what DigitalSurgeon has quoted: Madhanee making fun of khudkushi. Is that something funny or something noble that should be linked with Allah’s (SWT) name?
Talk about going on a tangent Shikra. 
I just find the hypocricy quite amusing. That’s all. As for Madhanee’s comment, I’m surprised it is still there.
Now calm yourself down. I’m glad you actually ‘got’ my point in your secondary response to my last post. To think, you weren’t going to waste any time on me yet wrote such a long initial response. I’m flattered.
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I think we should focus on the forum policy, it's there, is it being adhered to, specific examples of where people think things are going wrong?
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Thap the forum policy was drawn up by the mod at the time and it reflected his staunch Sunni background. He was a well respected guy but the truth of it is if we enforced those regulations to the letter we'd probably end up banning many members who belonged to a different school of thought.
Similarly, if we enforced Feedback guidelines * to the letter* this complaint shouldn't even be here. The thread starter has made no specific charges, and doesn't appear to have mailed the mods with any specific thread/post/offender. Also, despite being a muslim whose sensibilities have been hurt by insults to Islam, failed to even use the accepted Islamic greeting of Asalaam'u' Alaikum, instead substituting it with a totally unislamic greeting of "Hi".
Shikra,
I will address your concerns tomorrow as I have not looked through that thread that digitalsurgeon provided the links to properly yet. Also it seems to be from the Culture forum which has different moderators so am not sure is relevant to this discussion or not?
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Does that mean Shias should be banned for not respecting all of the companions or Prophet's wives then?
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Yes!
Exactly!
To insult those ppl is clear kufr!
Why don;t you halfpints just rename the Religion forum to Islam foru and be done with. So that circular logic can reign, circle jerks can continue around who is a bigger mullah and a few peope get excomunicated and condened to hell.
Atr the same time, open up a forum called religion where some others can discuss faith related matters.
Sounds like a good plan? Good!!! Chop Chop!!
Oh and SalmanNY...I know you have a crush on me, and I would love to have you kneel and bob like your days at teh madrassah, but I am a bit busy trying to convert a few girls to Matsuism. Wait your turn..ya heathen!!! :p
I got what you meant but you failed to get what I meant when I said “I wouldn’t waste anytime on you by searching your posts”. It clearly says I didn’t want to waste anytime on searching for you posts. I never said I didn’t wanna spend any time replying to you.
And what hypocricy? I am not denying anything. All I am asking you to do is to stick to the topic and I am admitting that I am not a good faith practicing muslim again and again but when it comes to the insult of my religion or the prophets etc., I can’t stand it. What more do you want to hear? 
Oh yeah, I am calmed down, I am cool :love:
Xtreme take your time. But I WOULD like to say this regarding "Also it seems to be from the Culture forum which has different moderators so am not sure is relevant to this discussion or not?" and in reply to that, I would like to quote you:
In the post quoted above, you agree that the rules should be the same for these insults, doesn’t matter whether it’s the religion forum or any other forum. Am I wrong?
There is no reason why muslims should have to read garbage directed towards Islam.
Here is a proposal
There should be a separate forum for Islam where Islam is not degraded or humiliated. This section would allow people of all sects to discuss Islam, ask questions and clarify issues based on what their school preaches. I highly doubt people who respect the holly book would bash prophet or make fun of hadith and ayats. If they do, strict policies can be enforced.
Respect of religion is important before it is discussed and people who are approaching Islam for their own mischievous agendas will never allow an environment where ppl can actually talk without spewing hatred for each other.
The second forum should be the Religion forum (the current state of religion forum, only less confused) with a lot more leniency. I am not sure if GS policies, moderators and members have the balls to stick that kind of section on GS. I think that is worth a try but be prepared for the worst attacks on Islam. People who want to defend or attack Islam will participate in this section and others would simply ignore it. Just like you have separated Cricketnama from International sports…separate religion in two…and monitor the clicks statistics…you will be surprised by the results.