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At least this should be strictly enforced in the religion forum, if no where else.
One of the best posts i have read in a long while. This post should be printed out and posted on the walls of each mod/admin.
**Xtreme ** Do you really want me to dig out the threads of Matsui and Roman who went on an insult spree about prophet Mohammad :saw:. If I really bring that out on your face, trust me you will be very upset you’re self.
But what happend? They got warnned? And they came back ? Actually they were welcomed warmly.
GS, get this kind of thread every now and then. I pointed this problem long time ago.. What is so freaking hard to regulate some strict guidelines when it comes to your relgion and prophet ?
Xtreme Just because your president don’t have a bear, it gives you enough of a reason to let your religion/prophet down ? Don’t you think that morally and ethically it is your duty as a mod of this website to enforce whatever it takes to preserve the sacred image of our deen and rasool ? I give a damn if you tell me that you are not a perfect person to care about any such. If there is even a lil bit of a Muslim in you, and if your zameer is still alive, you will not give examples of other people how they are wrong. But will take the first step to preserve the respect of who you are and where you come from. I am sorry if it turned out to be a lecture but I am sick of mods like you and that includes faisal who give the same old $hit that IT IS NOT AN ISLAMIC SITE. To hell with this being not a Islamic site, aren’t you guys Muslims or your zameer has died altogether?
Fasial why it is so hard for you guys to add one freaking line
** Muslims being the majority of this site, we dearly respect Islam and especially prophet Mohammad :saw:. We will NOT by any means compromise with the respect of Islam and the prophet Mohammad :saw:. He who breaches this guideline WILL be banned without any warning.**
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- Allah (God)
- Divine texts (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.)
- His Prophets and Messengers, and their families (wives, children, grandchildren etc.)
- His Books and Laws
- The Companions or disciples of any of the Messengers*
Just because you guys put ‘His prophets, and messengers’ you guys really think that you have justified the respect of Prophet Mohammad saw? naww… what you guys simply did put prophet Mohammad saw as just an ordinary messenger of Allah. I am not saying if someone is cursing Jesus is not the same as cursing prophet Mohammad saw, but just for the sake of 90% + Muslims of this website, give my prophet a respect that he really deserves. And punish that ******* who puts him down, so it would be a lesson for all those Islam mongers, that these people do respect and love their Rasool.
Salman. i agree that Islam by far takes the most rubbish on this board, and most often i feel that the moderation is lax when it comes to picking stuff up thats likely to be offensive.
heres i guess one positive. this site is dominated by Muslims. by and large, most of the crap that gets posted gets answered. shutting it out might prevent those who hear it outside this forum from coming up with a good answer.
at the same time yes, theres times when i am outraged enough to come complaining over here.. so i’ve done this too.
http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=152907
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*Originally posted by Thap: *
But specifically any posts containing defamation of, insults, ridicule or making a mockery of:
- Allah (God)
- Divine texts (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.)
- His Prophets and Messengers, and their families (wives, children, grandchildren etc.)
- His Books and Laws
- The Companions or disciples of any of the Messengers
- Any other religious practices, personalities, places, items etc which are not stated in the above points, and are deemed sensitive by other members or the moderators.
I suppose it's all there in the forum rules, just need to make sure a better job is done in addressing it?
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I have no idea Thap, maybe you did a better job of addressing it when you were mod of Religion Forum. I don't frequent the place much myself, I have no idea what sort of a job the current mods are doing but I would back them 100% to do it well. Have there been recent cases whereany of the above specifics you have mentioned have taken place where you feel mods should have taken action?
Why is that? Can any one of you give me a good reason why we should have different standards for the Religion forum to the other forums? This is where your arguments fall flat I’m afraid, because there is a reek of hypocrisy when we say we can only uphold those standards in the Religion Forum but it’s ok to wolf whistle pics of Ashwariya or Nicole Kidman in Shor Sharaba.
As for ravage agreeing with Salman, well those two would probably spend from here to eternity arguing the toss over Thap’s points concerning defamation of:
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His Prophets and Messengers, and their families (wives, children, grandchildren
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The Companions or disciples of any of the Messengers
Dig up Sunni/Shia threads of the past for a valuable lesson in why we had a moratorium in the first place.
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*Originally posted by Mr Xtreme: *
I have no idea Thap, maybe you did a better job of addressing it when you were mod of Religion Forum. I don't frequent the place much myself, I have no idea what sort of a job the current mods are doing but I would back them 100% to do it well. Have there been recent cases whereany of the above specifics you have mentioned have taken place where you feel mods should have taken action?
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I wish this 'jumping to the defensive' style of communication could be put aside. I was merely pointing out that the forum policy is pretty clearly stated, so any FEEDBACK in here should be taken in that context in order to assuage concerns.
You seem to have a lot to say on the subject for someone who doesn't frequent the place a lot? Which of course is no bad thing.
"Have there been recent cases whereany of the above specifics you have mentioned have taken place where you feel mods should have taken action"
Maybe you should be addressing that question to the above concerned guys, just an idea?
"wolf whistle pics of Ashwariya or Nicole Kidman in Shor Sharaba." pretty weak argument, otherwise why have a forum policy at all for religion?
If it's there lets make sure it's enforced? If members feel it's not being enforced lets address it? You know feedback......:D
Brother Salman NY,
I am quite new here, and thus didnt see Mutusi or Roman insult our master. If they did why are they still here?
Do the mods not even have love for the best of creation?
Astag-fur-allah!
We have reached a point when a Muslim allows insults to our Master.
May Alah bring death to me before I fall to such levels. These ppl are no better then animals.
Ok Thap let's go over it point by point since nit-picking seems to be the order of the day:
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I wish this 'jumping to the defensive' style of communication could be put aside
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Why worry about whether it was defensive, offensive or expensive? It was a valid point...depending of course on your POV.
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You seem to have a lot to say on the subject for someone who doesn't frequent the place a lot? Which of course is no bad thing.
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Well at least more valid than that one.
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Maybe you should be addressing that question to the above concerned guys, just an idea?
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Well you DID bring it up. And I'm assuming they can read it as well.
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"wolf whistle pics of Ashwariya or Nicole Kidman in Shor Sharaba." pretty weak argument, otherwise why have a forum policy at all for religion?
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Yes but then there is a logical follow on question if we are all so concerned about maintaining islamic standards which you laid out quite clearly in your initial post why don't we extend them to the restr of the forums? Isn't that double standards?
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If it's there lets make sure it's enforced? If members feel it's not being enforced lets address it? You know feedback......:D
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Yes and that's what we are doing here in the Feedback Forum thanks largely to some genius having the brainwave to open the forum to all again :)
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*Originally posted by Mr Xtreme: *
Ok Thap let's go over it point by point since nit-picking seems to be the order of the day:
-You can pick my nits any day.
Why worry about whether it was defensive, offensive or expensive? It was a valid point...depending of course on your POV.
-Just a comment on style, don't be so defensive.
Well at least more valid than that one.
-And that one?
Well you DID bring it up. And I'm assuming they can read it as well.
-So let's address it?
Yes but then there is a logical follow on question if we are all so concerned about maintaining islamic standards which you laid out quite clearly in your initial post why don't we extend them to the restr of the forums? Isn't that double standards?
-So extend 'em all out? Hop to it. Or don't and address the concerns of the members in the thread, maybe they're not valid maybe they are, who knows until an effort is made?
Yes and that's what we are doing here in the Feedback Forum thanks largely to some genius having the brainwave to open the forum to all again :)
-Yup the forum is here, lets make sure the feedback get's acted on? ;) a little genius of my own.
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Ok Thap, let's look at how this particular feedback should be acted upon. The initiator of the thread holds the view that "Insult Islam=permanent ban!"
Well I'm assuming that someone somewhere has insulted Islam in recent weeks although no specific post or thread has been alluded to yet.
Otherwise I would imagine that the alternative would be deleting or editing more severely which sort of assumes that the current mods aren't doing the job already.
You know what; I'd ask these good folk to provide examples and be a little more specific or ask them if it's more of a general trend.
If they don't convince enough people that have the inclination and ability to do something about it (i.e. other members as well as moderators), put it down experience.
They'll feel engaged and even if they don't get what they want they'll at least have put their point across.
At the moment I get the feeling it’s more of a gut feeling response by them; encourage them to fully get it out in the open and discuss what they think needs changing, if indeed anything. Me, like you don’t visit the forum enough to comment on the specifics. Although I did moderate it for a day, even I’m not that good and couldn’t get a full grasp of the issues.
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*Originally posted by Mr Xtreme: *
Why is that? Can any one of you give me a good reason why we should have different standards for the Religion forum to the other forums? This is where your arguments fall flat I'm afraid, because there is a reek of hypocrisy when we say we can only uphold those standards in the Religion Forum but it's ok to wolf whistle pics of Ashwariya or Nicole Kidman in Shor Sharaba.
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Although the decision was not made by only you, but since you raised the point that it's hypocrite to have different standards for religion forum as compared to other forums and one should not have stricter policies for religion forum and ignore the insults in any place else, I'll ask you this question: So likewise you agree that religion should not be kept just in the boundaries of the religion forum? If anyone posts a topic that has a daily hadeeth or an Islamic story that has a moral and teaches you a valuable lesson, it can stay in other discussion forums as well? Now don't tell me that it can't be posted in poetry, feedback, images etc. because I already know that. I have something called common sense. I am asking about cafe, general, and life etc. where sometimes religion just has to come in.
Salman & Thap have made some good points and I would like to add something to them: Salman has mentioned that since this board has approx. 90% Muslims, we should defend Islam. This is what I have to say: You are right. But it shouldn't be a reason for mods/admins to defend Islam just because we have Muslim majority here, they should defend it regardless. Even if this was a non-Islamic board, they should still take action against someone who insults Islam. If anyone comes to my work place and says something against Islam, do you think I'll stay quiet because I am at a Non-Muslim business? NO! I will still defend Islam and clarify that person's misunderstanding.
Xtreme you are jumping to defend the ordinary people (your teammates, mods/admins) but you can't jump to defend when someone insults very respected and noble People (Prophets and Messenger etc.)? You get defensive to support your friends and are here just by yourself replying to everyone but can't bother to take action (or suggest your teammates to take stricter actions) against those idiots? What a shame!
p.s. By Islam, I mean the Religion, Allah (SWT), Prophet (PBUH), Messengers, Quran, and everything in the list that Thap has compiled.
Gentleman,
Let me make something clear, I didn't compile any list I merely quoted the religion forum policy as it stands. I suppose what you guys are saying is that we have the right policy but you're not sure if it's being followed?
Far be it for me to put words into your posts though.
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You know what; I'd ask these good folk to provide examples and be a little more specific or ask them if it's more of a general trend.
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I think Faisal did that in his first response. Anyway, the only one who has actually identified a specific problem is Salman who has pointed to Roman, Matsui and ahmadis, then there was the guy who opened the thread who pinpointed "kafirs" in general, though wasn't specific about which particular one.
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*Originally posted by Thap: *
Gentleman,
Let me make something clear, I didn't compile any list I merely quoted the religion forum policy as it stands. I suppose what you guys are saying is that we have the right policy but you're not sure if it's being followed?
Far be it for me to put words into your posts though.
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Yeah, that's what I meant. Even if you came up with it, it's nothing to be ashamed of. The policy is there but not being enforced.
Xtreme,
No I don't think anyone has raised anything specific at all so far! Naming a few members isn't really enough is it?
Yes Faisal mentioned it, I'd suggest trying to get these guys to focus on it, all this stuff about smelling vodka isn't helping them get their point across.
Maybe they don't have a point at all, maybe they don't have anything specific? We'll see.
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*Originally posted by Shikra: *
Although the decision was not made by only you, but since you raised the point that it's hypocrite to have different standards for religion forum as compared to other forums and one should not have stricter policies for religion forum and ignore the insults in any place else, I'll ask you this question: So likewise you agree that religion should not be kept just in the boundaries of the religion forum? If anyone posts a topic that has a daily hadeeth or an Islamic story that has a moral and teaches you a valuable lesson, it can stay in other discussion forums as well? Now don't tell me that it can't be posted in poetry, feedback, images etc. because I already know that. I have something called common sense. I am asking about cafe, general, and life etc. where sometimes religion just has to come in.
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I don't agree anything of the sort. I'm not the one pushing religion here, if I wanted to see everything according to Islam I'd probably go to an Islamic forum where there were no Shor Sharabas or Image galleries.
Now what action do you want taken, against whom and why? You can't expect us to do it without being provided the necessary details.
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*Originally posted by Thap: *
Xtreme,
No I don't think anyone has raised anything specific at all so far! Naming a few members isn't really enough is it?
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Roman and matsui have been named so far I'm assuming they've posted something offensive which hasn't been taken care of. Unless we are talking about old stuff and maybe these guys are asking for action to be taken in retrospect which is hardly practical is it?
They need to get something current and something solid, but they need help othewise this issue will keep cropping up. By help I mean an engaging environment. Your last post last but one should be enough.
Thap this forum has been opened up, we are listening to non-specific complaints here, some of them being put across with very little finesse and bordering on personal insults. How much more engagement do you want? And is it even the crux of the matter?