Wow merc, please dont pass on your "analytical and critical thinking" as objective proof, its one of the biggest conspiracies I've ever heard in my life.
Anyways, just looking at the family history of the founder of zionism tells about the state the "country" (which should never exist) is in.
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"Herzl's wife Julia, who was prone to mental instability, had three children, each of whom met a terrible end. His eldest daughter Pauline was a drug addict who died in a French hospital. His son Hans, who shot himself upon learning of his sister's death, had left Judaism for a series of Christian churches. His youngest daughter Trude perished in the Nazi concentration camp of Theresienstadt."
The Question was why didnt Jordan and Egypt who controlled West Bank and Gaza Strip for 20 years create an independent Palestinian country on that land?
I dunno you tell me why in a thread full of "Israel"-Palestinian arguments, I would bring up the name of the creater of "israel".
Because the thread is about Arun Gandhi's comment about Israel and not about the personal life of Herzl
That is like bringing up that Jinnah's daughter never moved to Pakistan in a discussion about Pakistan and India
utterly pointless
but since your arguments are so bereft of anything notable, i guess anything goes
I've observed that there's a great deal of resentment and jealousy amongst Muslims about Israel, especially people from Pakistan. The two nations were built at about the same time founded on the backs of millions of displaced people but one country has progressed onto great things and the other is moving back into the stone age. Shame on all of you.
The problem with Pakistanis is that they have been focused on the silly issue of Palestine for way too long. Why do Pakistanis care so much about Palestinians when the Arabs themselves dont care? You want to talk about occupation? Why do Pakistanis chant for Palestine when Palestinians dont chant for Kashmir? If you want to talk about occupation being bad deal with Kashmir first and see how many Arabs will stand up against India and help you.
This fetish about Palestine as an "Islamic battle" is a mere distraction [orchestrated by the establishment] away from the horrible state of affairs in the muslim world. Instead of blaming ourselves for our problems we've found it convenient to blame the Jews. Living in poverty? Blame the Jews. Didnt get the job you wanted? Blame the Jews. Dont like the news you're hearing? Blame the jews.
Palestine is not our problem and it never has been - as a Muslim or as a Pakistani it is none of our business. You need to step back and get your priorities checked. For however long Pakistanis will blindly and stupidly get into a fake religious war with Israel, they will spend the rest of their lives sitting in a mud hut dwelling about how good we COULD have been if we just decided to focus on ourselves instead of meddling in other people's business.
pakistanis cannot pretend to agree with the formation and tactics used in israels illegitimate birth. politically we are not willing to do anything about it like war.
you seem very critical of pakistanis althugh the thread is about comments by arun gandhi. i know your from a minority community(tably waley?) in pakistan, what is it?
do others from your community feel the same way as you?
I've observed that there's a great deal of resentment and jealousy amongst Muslims about Israel, especially people from Pakistan. The two nations were built at about the same time founded on the backs of millions of displaced people but one country has progressed onto great things and the other is moving back into the stone age. Shame on all of you.
The problem with Pakistanis is that they have been focused on the silly issue of Palestine for way too long. Why do Pakistanis care so much about Palestinians when the Arabs themselves dont care? You want to talk about occupation? Why do Pakistanis chant for Palestine when Palestinians dont chant for Kashmir? If you want to talk about occupation being bad deal with Kashmir first and see how many Arabs will stand up against India and help you.
This fetish about Palestine as an "Islamic battle" is a mere distraction [orchestrated by the establishment] away from the horrible state of affairs in the muslim world. Instead of blaming ourselves for our problems we've found it convenient to blame the Jews. Living in poverty? Blame the Jews. Didnt get the job you wanted? Blame the Jews. Dont like the news you're hearing? Blame the jews.
Palestine is not our problem and it never has been - as a Muslim or as a Pakistani it is none of our business. You need to step back and get your priorities checked. For however long Pakistanis will blindly and stupidly get into a fake religious war with Israel, they will spend the rest of their lives sitting in a mud hut dwelling about how good we COULD have been if we just decided to focus on ourselves instead of meddling in other people's business.
Hskhan, Even though Arabs don't support Kashmir as Pakistanis and fellow muslims we should show enough moral character to support the Palestinians
The Palestinians are in their current predicament due to Arabs launching and losing wars to Israel.
Israel needs to have enough sense to get out of the West Bank and Gaza Strip and dismantle the settlements and share Jerusalem and the holy sites
Otherwise the conflict will just drag on
I think Israel has to go the unilateral approach and withdraw from West Bank like they did from Gaza as Arabs are just too racist to make peace with Israel
