I opened a thread about a 25 old indian marrying his 80 year old grandma (so that he could take care of her) and asked indian colleagues to reflect on that.
The thread got closed by TLK, that’s fine, I can live with that.
But I am not ok with comments that TLK wrote in his closing post. Fine he was throughout the debate on the other side of argument along with indians, but it doesn’t mean that:
He can accuse me of having a weird behavior (especially since he was referring and agreeing to an earlier post where someone was saying something about searching for “incest stories” in google)
Accuse me of starting a racial discussion.
It is not OK, because:
He didn’t give me a chance to explain
Being the director, he should also follow the very rules that he expects everyone else to follow
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Oh I did not see that the article is from 2004. I agree with #14 and #15 poster. It reflects a very weird behavior on the thread starter to post a 5 yrs old article and to start a racial discussion.
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I was referring to the #14 and #15 asking you why you posted a 5 yrs old article. How would you react if some one posts a 5 yrs old article about your hometown, religion or nationality and turn it into a racial slurs.
What was the need of asking Indian/Hindu Posters of this site a question and challenging their religious ethics by giving a 5 yrs old example, that also an example of one person's behavior from a country of over one billion population.
I was referring to the #14 and #15 asking you why you posted a 5 yrs old article. How would you react if some one posts a 5 yrs old article about your hometown, religion or nationality and turn it into a racial slurs.
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1) This is factually incorrect. You were NOT asking me, you were giving your opinion and closing the thread. Had you "asked" me, you would have given me a chance to answer.
2) Have you ever looked around in GS to see how many threads there are with examples from 70s, 80s even earlier to malign Pakistan? If that can be tolerated, why not this example? So if anything, this thread was reactionary in nature.
3) There were no racial slurs. See later in the post why the question was directed towards indian hindus.
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What was the need of asking Indian/Hindu Posters of this site a question and challenging their religious ethics by giving a 5 yrs old example, that also an example of one person's behavior from a country of over one billion population.
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The debate was not about one person, it was about why the state/religious authorities allowed him to marry his grandmother. My question was directed towards hindu/indians because the person in example happens to be indian and he married in a hindu temple.
That is explanation from my side. But unfortunately you never gave me a chance to explain and instead started to pass those controversial comments.
This is something that I personally find unacceptable and not neutral.
Because you and me on this site are not on the same level playing field.
As I have made clear in the very first post: The problem is not with the closed thread, let it be closed.
Problem is with your behavior, which is right now like a kid who has got some power accidentally and wants to demonstrate it everywhere.
Don't give your opinions in the thread if it is not of your taste and close it with comments that insult others.
So is there anyone higher than this "director" who could delete/edit the last post in that thread? If this director is the highest authority, please let me know so that I could say goodbye to this site.
Hopefully the owner of this site will realize that the success of this site depends on its visitors and losing them regularly will not do any good.
Dude , just calm down. Dont take things to the next level. Just keep posting. I deleted my comment as it bothered you. Just make sure that your comments do not bother others in your posts.
For each action there is a reaction you know, If you start such a thread you must expect people to wonder what you were looking for when you stumbled on such an article.
A question I'd like to ask you Marasi Dee bhai, only If it's OK for you. What were your intentions when you started such a thread anyway? What did you want us to discuss?
Dude , just calm down. Dont take things to the next level. Just keep posting. I deleted my comment as it bothered you. Just make sure that your comments do not bother others in your posts.
Alright.
My understanding is that this is a site, a forum for Pakistanis. This is how I discovered it in Google.
If indians come to this site and insult my country with their provocative posts/threads and you are fine with that, you should also be fine with the fact that Pakistanis on this site will retaliate.
For each action there is a reaction you know, If you start such a thread you must expect people to wonder what you were looking for when you stumbled on such an article.
A question I'd like to ask you Marasi Dee bhai, only If it's OK for you. What were your intentions when you started such a thread anyway? What did you want us to discuss?
Well I may not alway agree with Marasi_Dee
but he does have a point.
There are others on GS whose intention is not to discuss an issue but to provoke.
Provocation to invoke discussion i don't mind but provocation with the intention to irritate
1 1/2 billion Muslims i dont think its good.
Mr. TLK i totally agree with you when you talk about 1 billion Indians but what about the following when someone insults and humiliates and HURTS 1 1/2 billion Muslims and calls them FASCIST and Islam (indirectly) Fascist religion? Why no action was taken then?
I totally agree that we should discuss for the sake of discussion and to learn something from each other. But Bhai TLK if you KNOW that the mere and ONLY reason why someone is posting something like: anti pakistani and anti muslim articles not to discuss bc i have no problem with that all but they send continuesly daily many times a day articles that hurt others...what to do about that?
In other sections actions are taken against such posters. Rest assured no one can get away after saying distasteful things about Islam & Sahaba Ikrams.
You were crying in wrong places, don’t take me wrong, comments left in threads can easily be overlooked. The best way to point out such posters is to use report option or PM section mods or relevant channel Manager directly and some action WILL be taken against offenders. :k:
As for disclosing the names of posters, I am afraid we can not disclose the names or the actions taken. It’s between affected members and administration and we do not discuss them with other members.
“Distasteful things about Islam”: What does this mean? Is criticism of any Muslim “distasteful” vis-a-vis Islam? My posts were deleted in that thread. What did I say? I cited straight from shariah provisions. (if I was incorrect regarding anyprovisions, please correct me) These are the laws of the land in several Muslim countries and there are many in Pakistan who wish to impose them in Pakistan (some of the provisions are already in force in Pakistan). Facts are not allowed? It is “anti-Islam” to say what self-identified “party of Islam” (Jamaat Islami"), “party of Allah” and such groups seek or what they have already imposed elsewhere? If so, fine but then apply the same reasoning to such individuals. Would a Jamaati posting that shariah should be imposed in Pakistan be allowed to do so under your rules?
“Sahaba ‘Ikrams’”: History is history. Is it wrong in the “all views” forum to discuss historical facts? It is “distasteful” to say that they launched an offensive jihad to expand their empire/Islam? That is odd: these are their own words. Until Muslims are willing to accept this and place them in their context (namely that it was common to do such things in the 600’s), you will continue to see Salafists launching offensive “jihads” for part of the reason they do it is because of their interpretation of what the Salafs did. For example, Bin Laden refers to the invasion of the Byzantine empire (which started two years after the Islamic prophet’s death, after Abu Bakr had asserted control over Arabia) BBC NEWS | Middle East | Bin Laden tape: Text . If you can reeducate me regarding the true reasons for this based on historical evidence (i.e. explaining what the Byzantines ever did to the men of Mecca or what our Pakistani ancestors ever did to them), I will be glad to cleanse myself of false beliefs.
If your intent is simply to censor views you disagree with just admit so. If not, lay out the rules of the game.
You keep equating Salafists/Khomeninists/et al. (who ARE fascists–look up the definition of the fascism) with Islam. I find that distasteful. Xenophanez, I request that post be deleted on the grounds that it is distasteful and HURTS.
There can’t be any guidelines for use of common sense. You have a right to express you opinion but when the sole purpose of expressing opinion is to provoke and troll then it’s worth nothing. Yes posting facts is allowed but twisting the facts in such a way that they represent a picture which suites ones perspective is not. This is not different from what you accused Sahaba of doing after Prophet’s death.
The point is that throwing accusation right & left is the easiest thing over internet in guise of freedom of speech and expressing opinion. One should also keep other’s feelings in mind. You would never see a coloured man having a BBQ in a KKK clan initiation ceremony, nor you will see a Nazi sympathiser running for president in Israel. It all boils down to interest/feelings of majority in any community. So called “Facts” take back seat in situations like these. If you think that these “FACTS” should be brought forward then feel free expressing them where you find better & welcoming audience. Paklinks will not entertain any campaign designed only to provoke and hurt general feelings.
You were crying in wrong places, don’t take me wrong, comments left in threads can easily be overlooked. The best way to point out such posters is to use report option or PM section mods or relevant channel Manager directly and some action WILL be taken against offenders. :k: