When I look around the world there are so many clashes between Muslims and other religions. In India, majorly religious Hindus and Muslims have tiny clashes that have at times led to explosions of huge riots. There are countless accounts of violence between Muslims and Christians in Indonesia and the Philippines, Muslim-Buddhist violence in Thailand, the Muslim-Jew clashes in Isreal and the inter-Muslim violence between the Sunnis and Shias.
The basic foundations of Islam are for peace so what is the underlying reason for all of these clashes?
i think Muslims just have a strong sense of identity and remain a distinct group wherever they live. Conflict can arise between any two groups, and almost everywhere the conflict is very specific to the conditions of the two groups (such as Israel/Palestine, apart from religion its a genuine conflict between two ethnicities). Muslims can however, find inspiration for conflicts from the Prophet's brave struggle in overcoming the persecution and hostility of Meccans, and Islam's encouragement for fighting the righteous fight, which means that these groups can see the conflict through the lenses of Islam.
Muslims are terrorists and need to be dealt with as such. They should all be put in concentration camps and have the most strict sanctions imposed. Once they denounce their fanaticism, they should be allowed to interact with the civilzed society.
Muslims can however, find inspiration for conflicts from the Prophet's brave struggle in overcoming the persecution and hostility of Meccans, and Islam's encouragement for fighting the righteous fight, which means that these groups can see the conflict through the lenses of Islam.
Perhaps it is this emphasis on fighting by their prophet where Muslims "find inspiration for conflicts" and seem to be in constant clashes with other groups.
^ Quite contrary my friend. It was the other groups who constantly attacked their prophet and his followers. Namely these groups consisted of Jews and Christians. These wicked ones tried several times to kill "their prophet". They routinely tortured ( that is not new to Chrsitians and Jews) his followers and confined "their prophet" for a long period in a camp (refugee camps...anyone...not much has changed for muslims or the jews) like place. Do you want me to continue your education or do you want to go back and hide.
The basic foundations of Islam are for peace so what is the underlying reason for all of these clashes?
the answer is hidden in your own question. We are not following this religion of peace anymore, most of us don't even know the basic foundations of Islam.... The main two reasons are ignorance and intolerance.
Perhaps it is this emphasis on fighting by their prophet where Muslims "find inspiration for conflicts" and seem to be in constant clashes with other groups.
It takes two to fight. So, what excuses the other side? Or are we to believe that Muslims never ever have legitimate grievances, and that the rest of the world only reacts to them, rather than acts?
^ Quite contrary my friend. It was the other groups who constantly attacked their prophet and his followers. Namely these groups consisted of Jews and Christians. These wicked ones tried several times to kill "their prophet". They routinely tortured ( that is not new to Chrsitians and Jews) his followers and confined "their prophet" for a long period in a camp (refugee camps...anyone...not much has changed for muslims or the jews) like place. Do you want me to continue your education or do you want to go back and hide.
All I'm saying is if people are trying to imitate a prophet in every phase of his life and that prophet happened to be a warrior, it only makes sense that fighting could also be seen as a way of life.
As far as my education, thanks. But an unbiased lesson would include all facets, not just the victimhood and self defense battles.
It takes two to fight. So, what excuses the other side? Or are we to believe that Muslims never ever have legitimate grievances, and that the rest of the world only reacts to them, rather than acts?
Yeah...right....
But what other groups fight as a religion? Yes, there can be legitmate grievances against states or governments, but it's not a religoin vs. religion thing. It's Muslims vs. "some other entity".
and what’s your problem?wake up on the wrong side of the bed?
i just think that there are extremists out there and because of them Islam as a whole is being attacked. Conflicts between people of different religions have been going on for a long time. As i’ve said it again…this is a sign that the end is near.
Perhaps it is this emphasis on fighting by their prophet where Muslims "find inspiration for conflicts" and seem to be in constant clashes with other groups.
there wasnt any more "emphasis" on fighting than there was on prayers, being kind to neighbours, social and economic justice, and remaining peacefully with those who seek to live in peace.
I can see why you'd want to place emphasis there though :)
I misspoke, "find inspiration for conflicts" seems to suggest they're out looking for them. They find a source of inpiration for dealing with conflicts they're already in, for one (usually political) reason or another.
In any case, those who fight in Thiland have very little contact with those who fight in Checnya. Which is not to say Al-Q style Islamists doin't try hard to capitalize on these conflicts...but I don't see Muslims fighting as a "religion"...
^ right. they dont "fight as a religion", but as I said in my first post, Muslims have a strong sense of identity and remain a distinct group everywhere. When this group has a clash with another, often for political reasons, the conflict can be seen through Islamic lenses simply because Islam lauds the righteous fight.
there wasnt any more "emphasis" on fighting than there was on prayers, being kind to neighbours, social and economic justice, and remaining peacefully with those who seek to live in peace.
No, there probably isn't more emphasis on fighting, but surely of those who want to emulate the prophet in every single way he lived his life, there are some who want to be as brave and successful as he was on the battlefield.
^ right. they dont "fight as a religion", but as I said in my first post, Muslims have a strong sense of identity and remain a distinct group everywhere. When this group has a clash with another, often for political reasons, the conflict can be seen through Islamic lenses simply because Islam lauds the righteous fight.
I agree, with the caveat that "strong sense of identity" isn't that much different than saying that unifying identity is the fact they are Muslim.
No, there probably isn't more emphasis on fighting, but surely of those who want to emulate the prophet in every single way he lived his life, there are some who want to be as brave and successful as he was on the battlefield.
sure, in most cases they also need to find similar political or social conditions where they can fight for justice.
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I agree, with the caveat that "strong sense of identity" isn't that much different than saying that unifying identity is the fact they are Muslim.
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so would wish the pan-Islamist. the vast majority of Muslim/non-Muslim conflicts however, are a product of local political issues. Like picoico notes, there is little in common between the agenda of thai Muslim groups and the agenda of Chechen groups and the agenda of Palestinian groups.
sure, in most cases they also need to find similar political or social conditions where they can fight for justice.
Unless they are whacko, social deviants, or terribly misguided then "justice" is very subjective. Lots and lots of examples today of this.
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so would wish the pan-Islamist. the vast majority of Muslim/non-Muslim conflicts however, are a product of local political issues. Like picoico notes, there is little in common between the agenda of thai Muslim groups and the agenda of Chechen groups and the agenda of Palestinian groups.
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I'm not saying it is pan-Islamist. I am one who is skeptical when Musims talking of one ummah, I think it is anything but. I agree these clashes are local.
Gujrat butcher Nareeder Moodi started tiny clashes...and basically..it were Muslims who started...:D
see...how praising the idol of nationalism of india forgets one...to even stand with her muslims sisters that were Ballat kaar...of 9 9 years age...strange...
