Unless they are whacko, social deviants, or terribly misguided then "justice" is very subjective. Lots and lots of examples today of this.
Correct. So while you may disagree that this particular cause or that particular cause doesnt merit being likened to the struggle of the Prophet, barring whackos, social deviants, and terribly misguided people, normal people who want to live like the prophet will only liken their struggles to the Prophet's when they feel that their political/social/economic conditions are like his.
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I'm not saying it is pan-Islamist. I am one who is skeptical when Musims talking of one ummah, I think it is anything but. I agree these clashes are local.
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No i was saying it is pan-islamist to think that Islam is their unifying identity. Muslims do talk of one ummah but that I feel is irrelevant since we agree that clashes are local. The ummah talk is more for garnering support from other Muslims, and can be seen in other groupings of people (albeit not with the terminology of Ummah). Americans of Irish descent helped IRA, Tamil tigers fund raise in Canadian Hindu temples, etc etc.
"these two beams of light are separate but from the same source"
You know that Prophet (PBUH) film they made? when the followers of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) left mecca and went to live with the christian king (i don't remember fully) but the king said that about christianity and islam.....and it's right! both christians and muslims mention Hazrat Isa (pbuh) or Jesus, although in completely different ways :)
First of all, the whole notion of religion is very touchy and sensitive and can easily turn violent.
The only underlying reason i see is, Muslims think that ONLY theirs is perfect and correct!. Being a muslim is more important than being a good human being.No matter how good a saint of another faith is, he doesn’t get respect from muslims.
""008.055 YUSUFALI: For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him: They will not believe. PICKTHAL: Lo! the worst of beasts in Allah’s sight are the ungrateful who will not believe. SHAKIR: Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. “”
Gujrat butcher Nareeder Moodi started tiny clashes...and basically..it were Muslims who started...:D
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actually it was the thread on the Guj. riots that got me thinking about this topic. the tiny clashes cause an explosion of built up anger.
Are there more differences than similiarities between the two religions for them to live peacefully together. Hinduism is at one extreme and Islam is completely the opposite in some aspects.
Most Hindus are strict vegetarians while Muslims eat everything except pork. Tiny differences have contributed to countless clashes over the years.
In India, the more illiterate Hindus and Muslims both have been equally responsible for the violence lately.** There is no mutual respect for each others' religions and there aren't enough laws punishing somebody for insulting another's religion**. In the Mangalore, India clash a few months ago, there was some tension over the slaughtering of cows by Muslims during a very holy time in the Hindu religion. It was a tiny issue but it led to there being a strict curfew for a couple of days because of the tension. In Gujurat, small situations like the one a few months ago where a Muslim guy was making fun of a Hindu girl caused a scuffle between the two religions again. The Babri Masjid incident was completely unnecessary since it was too long ago that the Muslims had destroyed the temple and put a mosque over it so it was wrong for Hindus to bring up that issue again and open old wounds by destroying the mosque but unfortunately that incident caused subsequent clashes.
When people of both religions are moderate to an extent then there is harmony but even if there can be moderate hindus, in Islam either you completely follow islam or you shouldn't follow it at all right?
Hindus Muslims are like night and day in many ways so the clashes are somewhat understandable but what about Muslims and Jews. they both are very similiar in almost every way but yet there is hate there as well.
The Babri Masjid incident was completely unnecessary since it was too long ago that the Muslims had destroyed the temple and put a mosque over it so it
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...and when you buy into speculation like that, as baseless as it is, it really does put into question your moderate tone. The rather pathetic ASI report is hardly proof of such a claim (which is in fact a claim of the barbarian VHP against pretty much all mosques in India), and such claims seem to steam from folklore more than evidence.
The only underlying reason i see is, Muslims think that ONLY theirs is perfect and correct!.
...sound of one hand clapping? If you refute that then what you're saying is that it's neither pefect nor correct. So I really don't see the difference between Muslims saying "only ours", and you saying "anything but"
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Being a muslim is more important than being a good human being.No matter how good a saint of another faith is, he doesn't get respect from muslims.
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Bad people can have faith in God. But I see nothing wrong with the belief that one can't be good without giving God all due respect.
Though i do not believe in stories of ramayana.....
there is no folklore of those destructions (though i consider stories of ramayana and all as folklore)...if you want even now you can come and see in mathura where krishnas temple is half-destroyed and a mosque stands attached to that temple. also, in north karnataka, where all vijayanagaras monuments in ruins. it has been declared a world heritage site by UN. can come and see them.
...sound of one hand clapping? If you refute that then what you're saying is that it's neither pefect nor correct. So I really don't see the difference between Muslims saying "only ours", and you saying "anything but"
okay..i think i didn't tell very correctly. everybody thinks his faith is great..whatever..made my point.
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Bad people can have faith in God. But I see nothing wrong with the belief that one can't be good without giving God all due respect.
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and those bad people are un-believers(non-muslims)...
Bad people can have faith in God. But I see nothing wrong with the belief that one can't be good without giving God all due respect.
This implies that one must be Muslim to have faith in God or to give him respect. That is far from the truth.
This implies that one must be Muslim to have faith in God or to give him respect. That is far from the truth.
dude everytime I go to michigan avenue I get this church clown asking me if I have been saved and I cant get salvation unless I let christ into my life. so this issue of only islam talks about being the right path is not quite correct.
If u look at major global religions, the theme of mutual exclusivity applies.
Hindus Muslims are like night and day in many ways so the clashes are somewhat understandable but what about Muslims and Jews. they both are very similiar in almost every way but yet there is hate there as well.
politics due to land for the most part. take politics and disputes out and while friction may be there, it will be nothing like it is in israel and palestine today. even when u see intra-muslim fighting such as between iran and iraq etc its for something. the faith may be abused as a reason to get more ppl to take sides but thats really it.
such tussle for self determination or land or what nots has caused issues among catholics and protestants in Northern ireland as well, whereas u see the two living side by side, and with mutual acceptance in other places e.g. USA.
teh bosnians muslims and serbs were even closer in their lifestyle and all, and then the tussle for power led to the Bosnian genocide that US had to intervene and stop since the rest of the world just sat on their hands.
dude everytime I go to michigan avenue I get this church clown asking me if I have been saved and I cant get salvation unless I let christ into my life. so this issue of only islam talks about being the right path is not quite correct.
If u look at major global religions, the theme of mutual exclusivity applies.
I didn't say it is the only religion where followers believe that. I'm an equal opportunity believer - I think anyone who says you have to be to have faith in God or to give him respect is ignorant and arrogant - to put it just as bluntly as those who tell you are going to hell for not following
That's my point. Believe what you want - just don't tell me I'm going to hell for not believing what you do. Cuz you or I don't know the truth any more than Bubba, Vijay, Ben-Zion or Chuan-zong. While I may disagree with the interpretation of religion by others, I am in no position to say my way is the only way.
This implies that one must be Muslim to have faith in God or to give him respect. That is far from the truth.
Well, every religion has an approach to God...and even those who claim to welcome multiple approaches contradict those which insist on a single approach, so in the end, all religions advocate a distinct path. I know mine, so I could care less for the others.
I have very deep convictions in my faith as well, thank you very much. I just don’t prescribe to the one-theory-fits-all myopia. If God intended for there to be just ONE religion, then my belief is that it would have been revealed in a way for all mankind to accept. Different strokes for different folks.
To me, this self righteous belief that only certain faiths have a potential heavenly afterlife is naive and weak and portrays a misunderstanding of what’s really important in life and to God (and no, it’s not all the cermony, dogma and rituals many think it is).
I know mine, so I could care less for the others.
Obviously.
Is it a Pakistani or Muslim trait to believe there are only 4 or 5 religions and only certain ways to interpret them? Does one have to have centuries-old books, a lineage of prophets that predate educated society and 500 million followers to quality as a real, sure nuff set of beliefs?