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By the way Justice Ramday today said somewhere in some statement that had he been handling this case alone he would have issued a verdict in 1 day.
Nice...I haven't seen any neutral bearing from him, he has untiringly criticized the govt all along...I say he's biased!
If Justice Iftikhar can throw tantrums over few judges having bias againt him, why can the govt's side throw tantrums over the intentions and biases of judges and their political alliances of late....?
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Billi thailey sai bahar aa gaee .... CJ wanted to be the PM :)
and I know CJ supporters will laugh it off without even considering the fact that (looking at the past and nature of CJ) it might be true.
Well I think the "CJ" has been acting President of Pakistan when Musharraf, the Senate Chairman and House speaker were out of town once or twice, so being the actual PM is just one step down as such. :)
But it is fact that Ch.Iftikhar has objected to one judge after another from hearing his case - I think last count was 5 judges of the SC/SJC. They say the Chief Justice of the Lahore High Court won't even shake hands with him, and senior judge in the Peshawar High Court complained about him.
It's probably all these judges that Iftikhar wanted the agencies to keep a watch on.
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“CJ recieved 100s of 1000s Rs in gas (petrol) reimbursement after showing reciepts of the gas station that only sell DIESEL in Quetta!” :smack: :rotfl: :hehe:
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This is so hilarious now!
Anything the Don CJ says is true, anything anyone else says is false. Anyone supporting Mush is supporting him because Mush has directly been beneficial to them and they also support MQM by default! Come on yaar, politics is a tad bit more than that. I had thought better from many ppl. but well.
Also, even Don CJ was appointed/elevated by the same brutal Musharraf btw.
And DON CJs affidavit was a scripture of truthfulness and all this by 3 Pakistanis filed in the same court is lies...?
Some standards!
Waise, 3 witnesses vs 1 (reg the events of Fri 9 Mar at the Camp Office) is interesting. Iftikhar's allies were not there and he himself would of course differ from the versions narrated by others present. Interesting work for the lawyers and judges.
The Don CJ has done the following extra-constitutional acts in his time:-
Disregarded the constitution and swore an oath of Musharraf's PCO in 2000, and thereby got himself promoted from the Quetta High Court to the Supreme Court.
Validated Musharraf's military coup on the basis of the "doctrine of necessity".
Allowed Musharraf to singlehandely amend the constitiution - a power never given to any ruler before him.
If I am not misaken, I believe Don CJ Iftikhar was also one of the two judges who went to the Awan-i-Sadar in June 2001 to "persuade" President Rafique Tarrar to make way for Musharraf assuming the Presidency?
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Never ever in history has the CJ of any country taken to the streets for the very simple reason, he represents teh Judiciary and its in the best interest of the judicary to have a neutral CJ who believes in the rule of law and the courts. Our erstwhile CJ is full of sh!t, he may have made some very good rulings but that does not make him the King, he was doing his job and that is where he went wrong believing in his magnetic personality, what an idiot. Thats why I will not discount this news story, maybe its not true bit very believabole looking at this meglomaniac.
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The Don CJ has done the following extra-constitutional acts in his time:-
Disregarded the constitution and swore an oath of Musharraf's PCO in 2000, and thereby got himself promoted from the Quetta High Court to the Supreme Court.
Validated Musharraf's military coup on the basis of the "doctrine of necessity".
Allowed Musharraf to singlehandely amend the constitiution - a power never given to any ruler before him.
If I am not misaken, I believe Don CJ Iftikhar was also one of the two judges who went to the Awan-i-Sadar in June 2001 to "persuade" President Rafique Tarrar to make way for Musharraf assuming the Presidency?
The generals also take oath to uphold the constitution. Right SB?
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They did SK. If they 'broke' them then every political party supported the act at the time, and Ch.Iftikhar was one of those who validated everything for the generals. :)
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More and more people are now saying the same.
This republic is now held hostage to a spat between a general and a judge. The General needs to make a strategic retreat. The Judge, unless he can fully clear himself of whatever charges, frivolous or otherwise, have been leveled against him, will forever remain under a cloud. One cloud now floating is his skating over, in the affidavit he filed in the Supreme Court last week, the matter of how the Chief Justice of Pakistan found himself in Army House on the forenoon of March 9. Did he ask for an appointment with the head of state, as he has, so we have been told, done on many a previous occasion, or was he summoned, which the General has clearly told us he was not? (The subsequent happenings that afternoon have yet to be clarified.) Do any of the charges in the presidential reference against Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry hold good? If one, or two, do, did the Chief Justice do wrong? He, in his exalted position, cannot be absolved on the excuse that multiple wrongs make one right. If others, the hundreds if not thousands, in positions of power abuse that power it does not follow, normally, in a democracy not ruled by corruption, that it is right or excusable. http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/jun-2007/3/columns2.php
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They did SK. If they 'broke' them then every political party supported the act at the time, and Ch.Iftikhar was one of those who validated everything for the generals. :)
SB, Two wrongs don't make a right. Just answer me this with a yes or no, do you consider Musharraf's 1999 coup an act of treason or not?
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SB, Two wrongs don't make a right. Just answer me this with a yes or no, do you consider Musharraf's 1999 coup an act of treason or not?
A no from me too.
And a counter question too;
Do you consider refusing a civilian aircraft belonging to the national carrier carrying over a 100 civilian men, women and children including foreign nationals as well as the country's serving Army Chief who is undoubtedly a symbol of national pride and sovereignty, being refused landing on Pakistani soil and being diverted to 'anywhere but here, even India' with limited fuel remaining, an act of treason, attempted murder, massacre, genocide?
He had 3 options upon landing; a. Hand over power to BB b. Reconcile with NS, shame the Army already frustrated by NS over Kargil and resign. c. Hang Nawaz. d. Hold elections in 8 weeks. In other words option a again.
Initial decisions were the best. Later some errors can never be ruled out, but overall everyone remembered the sweet taste of mithai for first few years alike.
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Waise, 3 witnesses vs 1 (reg the events of Fri 9 Mar at the Camp Office) is interesting. Iftikhar's allies were not there and he himself would of course differ from the versions narrated by others present. Interesting work for the lawyers and judges.
to my mind, it would be more 'interesting' for the govt. laweyrs.
Govt. lawyers get to grill chief justice(only). Lets say he is posed 10 questions, Out of those he flunks 5. Thats -5
CJP can potentially grill:
DG MI
DG IB
Chief of Staff
Numerous people mentioned in the affidavits
Prime Minister
Honorable DG ISI
El Presidente
Now, if one would to go by simple plus minus, the opportunity for the defense to expose irregularities in the affidavits r huge. A few hours into the filing of the affidavit and Aitezaz has already pointed out a supporting affidavit from one Bilal where he states that CJP should not hold rallies, he should not politicize the matter etc etc. And the date on his affidavit is 8th March. Amusing, dont you think?
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The Don CJ has done the following extra-constitutional acts in his time:-
Disregarded the constitution and swore an oath of Musharraf's PCO in 2000, and thereby got himself promoted from the Quetta High Court to the Supreme Court.
Validated Musharraf's military coup on the basis of the "doctrine of necessity".
Allowed Musharraf to singlehandely amend the constitiution - a power never given to any ruler before him.
If I am not misaken, I believe Don CJ Iftikhar was also one of the two judges who went to the Awan-i-Sadar in June 2001 to "persuade" President Rafique Tarrar to make way for Musharraf assuming the Presidency?
Absolutely SB!
It was some fun to hear of the details of the statements and affidavits by DG MI, DG IB and COS in the news! :D
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By the way Justice Ramday today said somewhere in some statement that had he been handling this case alone he would have issued a verdict in 1 day.
Nice...I haven't seen any neutral bearing from him, he has untiringly criticized the govt all along...I say he's biased!
If Justice Iftikhar can throw tantrums over few judges having bias againt him, why can the govt's side throw tantrums over the intentions and biases of judges and their political alliances of late....?
its a thirteen member bench and every judge has same judicial powers on the bench so doesnt matter what Justice Ramday says, both parties will have to convince a majority of the 13 judges to win the case. Plus, if u go by the observations of justice ramday, which r sometimes quoted out of context, then u will never really understand where the case is heading. He also said that Peerzada is an asset of the judiciary and falan falan. U dont think he is stupid enough to make his bias so palpable that will allow anyone to question his intentions tomorrow.
