There are always 2 sides to every story. It seems the “CJ” was the real dictator who had little regard for parliament and wanted the agencies to spy on his fellow judges for him.
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This is claimed by the ‘military intelligence director’, Maj.Gen.Ijaz and promoted by a Mush/MQM supporter
Then it must be true!! ![]()
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The amount of justices sitting on the Supreme Court and SJC that the "CJ" has objected to, plus his differences with the CJ of the Lahore High Court and the senior justice in the Peshawar High Court is proof enough the distrust Iftikhar feels for his fellow judges.
No wonder then he would ask the intelligence agencies for reports on them.
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Of course it is!
Mush supporters are grasping for anything these days ![]()
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This is pure bs, but even if it is true, hardly anyone is going to buy it coming from regime who has no credibility whatsoever. In any case, this is too little too late for regime whose days are numbered.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/06/07/asia/AS-GEN-Pakistan-Judicial-Crisis.php
Powerful officials file affidavits denying Pakistan’s chief justice held against his will
The Associated Press
Published: June 7, 2007
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan: Three powerful officials denied Thursday that Pakistan’s chief justice, whose suspension has ignited political turmoil, was held against his will after a fateful meeting with President Gen. Pervez Musharraf.
The denials came as journalists, enraged by curbs on the media, joined lawyers and opposition activists in anti-government street protests. The European Union voiced concern about freedom of speech.
The three officials filed affidavits in the Supreme Court in response to Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry’s claim that he was detained at Musharraf’s army residence near the capital for several hours.
Military Intelligence chief Maj. Gen. Mian Nadeem Ijaz Ahmad also claimed Chaudhry had regularly sought information from the spy agency about fellow judges for his own “database.”
The other affidavits were submitted by the chief of the civilian Intelligence Bureau and Musharraf’s chief of staff.
Chaudhry’s ouster has sparked unrest and raised doubts about the ability of Musharraf, a close U.S. ally who is also head of the army, to stay in power.
Critics claim Musharraf has tried to sideline the independent-minded judge in case of any legal challenges to his bid to secure a new five-year presidential term this fall.
Musharraf denies he was motivated by politics. A government lawyer claimed Thursday the president was acting on a recommendation from Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz.
The chief justice has claimed that Musharraf, alongside the intelligence chiefs and prime minister, pressured him March 9 to resign over charges that he abused his office.
“It is incorrect that the (chief justice) remained at the camp office against his will,” Ahmad’s affidavit said.
He said Musharraf left for the southern city of Karachi after the meeting and that Chaudhry continued discussions with the intelligence chiefs. Ahmad said Chaudhry requested another meeting with Musharraf which was not granted.
Chaudhry claims he was accused of using Supreme Court cars for his family and interfering in the affairs of the High Court in Punjab province.
Ahmad said that before Chaudhry’s suspension, the chief justice regularly sought intelligence about judges in Punjab “so he could build a database for his own reference.”
The affidavits filed Thursday are part of the government case against a petition from Chaudhry challenging the legality of his suspension.
Musharraf, who was to make a televised address to the nation late Thursday, has faced growing accusations of autocratic rule as the crisis has deepened.
In the latest demonstration by lawyers and political activists, about 7,000 people staged a sit-down protest in front of the provincial assembly in the eastern city of Lahore. Some shouted “Go, Musharraf, go!” while others had their mouths taped shut to protest alleged government censorship.
Authorities have warned the media, especially private television channels, to temper their coverage and avoid slights of the military or the judiciary.
Musharraf passed an order Monday giving a media regulator the power to seize equipment and seal the premises of offending broadcasters or distributors.
The order prompted a series of media protests, including one Thursday by about 100 reporters who chanted “We want freedom!” in front of the federal parliament.
Anwar Mahmood, a senior official at the Ministry of Information, on Thursday confirmed reports that the order had been suspended to allow talks between officials and media representatives.
The EU welcomed that move, while expressing concern that Pakistani media freedoms had suffered “setbacks.”
Reports of blocked cable TV transmissions and intimidation of journalists were especially worrying, EU ambassadors in Islamabad and the EU’s executive Commission said in a statement.
The ambassadors expressed “confidence that further steps will be taken to safeguard a political climate in which freedom of expression and media is respected and which is conducive to free and fair elections,” it said.
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the bastion of truth, the fountain of integrity, honesty and all things divine, the esteemed heads of secret intelligence agencies have spoken. Like TRD said, IT MUST BE TRUE. No need even for cross examination.
On a relevant note, courtesy the un-official Godfather of all lawyers in this land of the pure, Sahibzada Sharif ud Din Peerzada, I was deslighted to be enlightened today that the Director General of Inter Services Intelligence is an "exalted" office not answerable to the court or the parliament for that matter, operating under a law as yet undisclosed to the same. Respect.
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“CJ” and his complaints against his fellow judges.
Non-functional Chief Justice v Supreme Court of Pakistan](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=252810)
CJ supporters hounding dissenters out of the bar associations.
Pro-CJ lawyers launch witchunt against dissenters](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=250208)
Any wonder then why he would ask spy chiefs to keep tabs on the judges and report back to him on them.
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void between spaces...alley of the un-connecting dots.
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the bastion of truth, the fountain of integrity, honesty and all things divine, the esteemed heads of secret intelligence agencies have spoken. Like TRD said, IT MUST BE TRUE. No need even for cross examination.
lol yea. BTW, if I'm not mistaking this Maj. Gen. Mian Nadeem Ijaz Ahmad happens to be a Mushrraf's relative. I think he was one of the key leader who help ousted NS when Mushrraf took over the country.
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If you can’t get the agencies to spy on your fellow judges for you, then bully them to your view on the streets or just humiliate them - as the case with the lady judge in Sarghoda shows.
This is the real face of the “CJ” who has objected to one judge after another in recent months.
Disturbing developments
Ikramullah
I wish to start this column by solemnly affirming that I have always believed in the independence of the judiciary as laid down in the constitution of Pakistan without any ambiguity. I still do, with all my heart. During the last two months since the surge for the independence of the judiciary has turned into almost a frenzy, many people have asked me that when everyone in the nation has agreed in principle on the basic issue, what is this ongoing agitation by a part of the judiciary, namely the members of the Bar. Maybe the people raising such questions are confused and are only seeking clarification for their satisfaction. Do they not have the democratic right to ask questions when in doubt? Should the others, who are agitating on this issue, get angry and beat up the other members of the Bar for their only sin of holding a different opinion on the issue. The confused part of the population asks a very simple question to which I have no answer. **“Do the agitating members of the Bar have no confidence in the 13 learned members’ full Bench of the apex court to do justice to the petition filed before them by the Honourable Chief Justice?” These so-called confused people further asked whether those agitating against the Reference, wish to decide the issue on the streets, by the so-called peoples’ court or maybe through a media trial, rather than the formal constitutionally constituted full Bench of the learned Supreme Court? **A new dimension has been introduced in this strange medium of seeking justice on the roads from the groups of politically motivated spectators of the rallies of political parties, hoisting anti-government banners intermingled with colourful flags - this whole colourful crowed is led by whom? No one else, to my bewilderment, than the Honourable Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Pakistan. The CJP’s lawyers declare that Justice Chaudhry does not call anyone to join his motorcade but the political party in the opposition do so on their own because of the heroic fight Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry is putting up for the independence of the Judiciary. They further state as a proof that the CJP has never participated in any political activity, attended a political gathering or made a slightest political Reference in his purely constitutional and legal speeches.
I, for one, believe in the CJP’s senior council because these are all honourable men. I believe these honourable men of the Bench and Bar if they say that the seminar held in the Supreme Court Building on 26 May was totally non political and that no political speech was made by anyone nor any slogan raised which could be described as character assassination of the President of Pakistan or the armed forces of Pakistan. The matter is before a large Bench of the Supreme Court and the President of Pakistan has repeatedly declared that the government would accept and honour whatever verdict is given by the apex court on the various petitions before it. Many people asked me why does not the learned Bar of the Supreme Court make a similar declaration of trust and confidence in the verdict of the better half of the judiciary namely the highest Bench of Justice in Pakistan. As a result of what happened in Karachi 12 May and its fallout, the judicial crisis is deepening and the changes of bridging the gulf are vanishing. An incident the other day, in a Sargodha Court is alarming where a lady judge had to escape from the court through a backdoor, to take refuge in the adjoining court of the Sessions Judge, because the lawyers’ community was unhappy with the proceedings of a certain case. The protesting lawyers forced the court employees out of the court and carried out a big procession against the Judge asserting that their agitation would continue till their demands were met. This episode is an alarming development indicating that the members of the Bar wish to run the judiciary in their own way and according to their own strange interpretation of the independence of the judiciary. If this trend is allowed to grow, may God protect the judiciary and may God help this nation out of its present crisis.
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true, but this Silly Billy and Mush/MQM supporters are sssssoooo desperate to get people to believe Mush’s propaganda ![]()
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This CJ is a used tp; always was and always will be.
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LuxuryItem, who r u trying to convince with ur awesome arguments?
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Does it make u feel better?
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^
Why do twits care?
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I wouldn't know. But I do know that u r not going to go far with ur arguments.
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I am enjoying how some people are defending Musharraf's bad decission. Even PMLQ's VP has admited that majority of the people think this is Mush's biggest mistake and he should not have done this. Also to compromise with both Media and CJ. So what do you say about that?
All the decisions and statements Mush, PM, Durrani and MQM has given since March 9th, shows how desperately glued they to the power. The corruption is tremendous and unbelievable. They start talking about flyovers and the flashy cars hitting the road everyday, everyone knows where this money is coming from and what government is doing with it. 20% is on the showroom for display to retain power and 80% is gulped in an organized systematic way. Be it Gwardr, privatization (or outsourcing rather), hundreds of Billions of Rs. in KSE, plots or millitary enterprises. Pakistan has been raped by these military and civil goons. They should be thrown out.
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About time some one in the government had the brains to start a smear campaign. But very late and they did one stupid stupid move. They didn't engage in talks first. What the CE and his cronies should have done is engaged in talks, settle down the political strife and then start a smear campaign.
As you can see by the posters here the Pakistani community will agree to anything as long as it conforms to their own personal biases. It doesn't matter if its true or not.
Finally some of those idiots are thinking. Next what they should do is try to engage in talks to slow down his momentum with the people.
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This is so hilarious now!
Anything the Don CJ says is true, anything anyone else says is false. Anyone supporting Mush is supporting him because Mush has directly been beneficial to them and they also support MQM by default! Come on yaar, politics is a tad bit more than that. I had thought better from many ppl. but well.
Also, even Don CJ was appointed/elevated by the same brutal Musharraf btw.
And DON CJs affidavit was a scripture of truthfulness and all this by 3 Pakistanis filed in the same court is lies…?
Some standards!
Waise, 3 witnesses vs 1 (reg the events of Fri 9 Mar at the Camp Office) is interesting. Iftikhar’s allies were not there and he himself would of course differ from the versions narrated by others present. Interesting work for the lawyers and judges.