CIA torture brutal and ineffective

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Re: CIA torture brutal and ineffective

@Samir_Mirchandani

The Sheiks of ME have not declared themselves to be fans of base tortures and neither have US declared themselves to be pinnacles of magically civilized torture methods. Both impressions are formed over a long term in public psyche based on actions and behaviors over.

Where the USA shows it is the pinnacle of something is the fact there was an investigation, result disclosure, there was a congressional debate, there was outrage internally.

Stinky browns? only if a browny stinks. For every bigotted ‘American’ there are more than one un-bigotted American. I am seeing township after townships school boards debating whether holidays should be re-allocated and distributed across religions based on population demographics. That is pretty darn good respect. I see Khan owning sports fanchise and Vivek getting confirmed in spite of NRA oppositions. That is quite respectful.

USA cannot be ever perfect but it strives for it and accomplishes more of it than anyone else.

What respect do you get in Pakistan or India when rowdies stare at every woman passing by and pass remarks lewder than some uncensored hiphop song?

Who is the hypocrite ?

I am an American and have been here most of my life. The idea of “American exceptional-ism” is a real concept. I think its dishonest to say that America doesn’t promote itself as the standard bearer of morality. And whether you like it or not, other countries do view the US in those terms, as not necessarily being the standard, but trying to portray itself as one. Which is why so many view the US with suspicion. When a nation invades another country, ostensibly with the aim of promoting “freedom and democracy,” doesn’t that strike you as being a bit overbearing and pretentious?

That they investigated after the fact is not unusual or exceptional, as even India and Pakistan have carried out investigations. India investigated the Mumbai riots, the Sikh riots, Pakistan investigated the East Pakistan debacle. What counts is what they do once the investigation is complete. Now I can guarantee you that not a single member of the former administration or CIA top brass will be punished.

The US cannot be perfect and that goes without saying. But it would be nice to not constantly trumpet human rights and democracy and denounce dictators when you yourself are engaging in the very same tactics used by the likes of the Chinese! Thats the very definition of Hypocrisy.

And no Pakistan and India are no less hypocritcal in their own way. But this investigation was about American treatment of detainees in Gitmo, not about India or anyone else.