CIA Involvement in Pakistan

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A fair summary for condensing it into 3 points. Pakistani politicians have no back bones, heck, most politicians don't. It's the people who truly believe they're doing the right thing, those who don't want to act out of self-interest but duty, and strongly follow their ideals that have no fear of superpowers like the U.S. In that regard, I have a lot respect for Imran Khan. Sure, he's not perfect, but he's 10 steps up from any crap president we've had in Pakistan in decades.

Again, I'm not denying the corruption in leadership. Yes, the U.S. has provided millions in aid to the Pakistani government and as a result, we have one of the best airforces in the world (not to exclude us reaping the benefits of military trade with the Chinese either). Sadly, Pakistani leaders haven't used a penny in improving education, hospitals, or other factors that could genuinely change the economy there. It's pathetic. But I've already expressed my dislike for them in my other posts -- so understand that we're on the same boat in that regard.

However, the intention of the U.S. sending millions to Pakistan has been in an effort to help them repel the Taliban and al-Qaeda. How long have American presidents been saying, "Either you're with us or you're against us"? The U.S. believes that anyone who has refused to aid them in their war on "terror" is also their enemy. There wasn't much choice for Pakistan to begin with. The whole purpose is so Pakistan fights America's enemies and have also allowed American troops to settle in Pakistan.

What about the hadith stating the mount of Dajjal having a foot in the West and another foot in the East? Obviously, the world has turned into "East vs West". What side do you think the Dajjal is gonna favor? Do you think he'll be an enemy of the U.S.? Of NATO? Of Israel? I hardly doubt it. He'll be welcomed with open arms, after all, his enemies too will be the Muslims of the world. Do you even know what Dajjal means dude? It's "deceiver". A world bent on lies and deception will be his goal and you're telling me that you can hardly believe there are covert operations bent on keeping the Ummah further divided than it already is?

I never claimed the Muslim Ummah was ever perfect and had no foreign operations intervened then we'd be living blissfully united. However, keeping us further divided can only help them achieve their agenda with ease -- as it has been so far.

And as far as finding evidence in encampments, I think you're assuming I claimed they just packed up and ran. I'm talking about RAIDING their encampments and arresting them. How's that so difficult to understand?

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A long winded post beating around the bush. Please read your post again and it might help in understanding what I have said.

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I never claimed the Muslim Ummah was ever perfect and had no foreign operations intervened then we'd be living blissfully united. However, keeping us further divided can only help them achieve their agenda with ease -- as it has been so far.
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Let me understand this better. Do you honestly think that any of the muslim nations have the power/leadership to stand up to the US. So essentially you are saying that US is fighting an enemy that does not exist.

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And as far as finding evidence in encampments, I think you're assuming I claimed they just packed up and ran. I'm talking about RAIDING their encampments and arresting them. How's that so difficult to understand?

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And you imagine that they let all these incriminating evidence to fall into the hands of the raiding party. Good for you.

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See that's when people take it too far. It would seem from this post of yours that history indeed is what is in our high school textbook! When were the muslim ever, barring the time of the Prophet (saw), united to begin with? Who was stopping us from being united back then?

The Prophet(saw) said that the people with him were the best and as we moved away from his time, muslims would get worse and worse. If those that were trained and guided by him couldn't stop the infighting that occurred, how do you expect today's muslims, who can't even agree on the day of eid, to be united? Are the western powers stopping us from agreeing on the day of eid?

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I wonder where this big bad ISI is? We hear quite a lot about how good these guys are and how they can do whatever they want in Pakistan. Why don't they bring some of these proofs to light? If US and India are involved, let's shame them on the world stage. What's up with the cowardice and two-facedness?

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We don’t need to. Raymond Davis is a perfect example. As is the statement by the previous US Ambassador to Pakistan that 2/3rds of the Embassy in Pakistan worked on intelligence related matters.

If you wish to read more about such matters: The Inside Story of How the White House Let Diplomacy Fail in Afghanistan - By Vali Nasr | Foreign Policy

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LOL. Ok, you go believe your cute little fantasy world fantasies, whatever floats your boat dude. And I'm sorry but I can't help you with your reading comprehension .

You're not seeing this clearly.

Your assumption is that they would have been unified today solely for the sake of Muslim unity.

Being that the Middle East is primarily Muslim and is the most naturally rich land in the world, they don't need the U.S. or Europe to keep them rich. They're not doing this why? Because they're all too busy squabbling over petty tribal, cultural and religious differences. As you mentioned, this is what happened even shortly after the time of the Prophet Muhammad, sallalahu alaihi wa'sallam.

So then one must ask, "Since we were never united before, why would we unite now?" One word: fear. Muslim nations have realized they're all targets, or will be sooner or later, in this so-called "War on Terror". NATO forces are turning people into enemies under the notion, "guilty by association". We're slowly seeing enemies of enemies setting aside differences to join a common cause. My point is why continue to do business with a bully who you don't really need to do business with anymore? There's a lot of profit that can be made by establishing their own Middle Eastern economy with just each other, and a hell of a lot more stable too.

The world is full of lies and contradiction. It's quite surprising how anyone can dismiss such facts and continue to live with themselves. There are always those from every generation who believe the past will never repeat itself and completely ignore what we've done in our past.

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Exactly who I had in mind when I began speaking about Blackwater. They say he was CIA but he was known to be closely affiliated with Black Water.

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Wanted to apologize if my responses seemed to attack anyone. I'm pretty passionate about my beliefs in matters like this but we're all entitled to our own opinions. That doesn't necessarily make us any better or worse people, so my bad.