CIA Involvement in Pakistan

The CIA’s involvement in Pakistan is well known and a well established fact, however, to what extent? To some, my ideas may appear as coming from a lunatic-conspiracy-theorist, to others, they may see truth in it. That’s up to you, but I’m going to share my opinions and hopefully start a discussion.

How long has the USA been involved in Pakistan? Many people will tell you since post-9/11. Sadly, most people are led to believe that’s when the “War on Terror” began. For those of us who realize there’s more to history than our high school history books, we’re the ones who realize the war against the Middle East and neighboring Muslim countries began a long, long time ago.

TTP (Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan) is the group that the CIA trained decades ago to help the Afghanis repel the Russian invaders. Today, the CIA has been waging a war for 12 years in an effort to eradicate them.

But just who are the TTP really? The Blackwater Organization is a privately owned, civilian organization which hires former military personnel as mercenaries in operations overseas. There’s been a lot of speculation that they were present in many areas in the Middle East and south Asia shortly before the eruption of battles and wars. While Blackwater may be civilian-owned on the outside, their intel suggests otherwise, and one can speculate their involvement with the CIA as to leave any blame on their actions on them alone and not on the government. Basically, it’s a total fissaad.

Taking into account that the TTP have also been known to be waging war against their own fellow Pakistanis for years, I see no reason to suspect they’re a legitimate organization. It’s not new that a powerful nation will covertly use espionage in order to leave their enemies crippled and easily controllable, this has been done all throughout our history.

Contrary to popular belief, the TTP are not the only Taliban regime. There are in fact multiple regimes, i.e., the Afghan Resistance who appear to be defending their homeland against invaders, Bait-e-Mehsud who are seemingly responsible for attempting to ruin Pakistani-Chinese relations, and then other military regimes which don’t have much involvement in any of this. However, the public merely only knows of “Taliban”.

A lot of ISI officials, past and present, have on numerous occasions pointed out evidence suggesting involvement of Mossad and RAW as well as CIA from evidence uncovered in raids on TTP encampments.

So what does this suggest? Most people won’t realize this because most mainstream media is too afraid to express their differences in the USA’s foreign policies – which is why you won’t hear about many of these stories in the public.

Take the attacks on Shias for example. Now, I’m not attempting to deter blame and not accept that many Pakistanis tend to be awfully narrow-minded when it comes to the affairs between Sunnis and Shias, heck, with religion in general, but these recent attacks appear to be too organized and too sudden. Most of the folk I know in and/or from Pakistan don’t care much for the differences between Sunnis and Shias and at most, might just start dissing each other for being kaffirs or fake Muslims, or whatever, but that’s it.

Any one with half a brain knows that the U.S. wants complete control of the Middle East and neighboring Muslim countries, especially Muslim countries with a powerful military presence which if I’m not mistaken, Pakistan currently has the most powerful military of the other Muslim nations.

What’s the best way to win over your enemy? Divide and conquer. A unified country is left weak and unable to defend itself.

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I think you pretty much hit the nail right on the head - With the exception of:- How dare you bring CIA, RAW, Mossad in the picture how dare you. Don't you know they are (AA) Angels Agencies and humanitarian organizations.... Watch it next time.....

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The problem is the over reliance on these agencies as the "main ill" of Pakistan, so much so that that almost all blame is absolved of society and the government. In the end, RAW, ISI, Mossad, khad, iranis, saudis, zaid hamid etc aren't the ones that are suffering each day.

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I agree with this and I tried to make an effort to make this distinction a few times in my post. I don't blame the CIA, RAW, Mossad, TTP, etc. for all that plagues Pakistan -- there are a ton of poorly uneducated folk who really don't know a damn thing about community and/or Islam who would have still been in a crap hole regardless of however Western foreign policies have been effecting Pakistan. But there are other forces at work as well in the disunity between the people, and while I fully acknowledge the corruption due to the lack of education, I find that it's reasons like that which make it easier for outside forces to come in and keep everyone divided.

The Pakistani people are proud, very proud, yet unfortunately, many are so proud that they lose sight of reality. None of the Muslim countries work together -- I wonder how many people that struck as odd to? If you ask anyone why we aren't doing more for Iran or Iraq or Syria or Palestine, etc., most Pakistanis will sadly say, "Well what have they doen for us?" It's not that they genuinely dislike them, it's because most people feel like none of us have helped each other in times of need. Our Ummah's divided and so are our nations, provinces and even towns.

Many Sahih ahadith foretell of events toward the End of Days where Muslims will be divided and weak, with more Muslims by name than in faith, before the coming of Masih ad-Dajjal. Well, that's a bit scary ain't it?

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Think about it -- what if the Muslim nations were actually united? All the world's riches come from the Middle East because of the abundance of oil. It would be the Middle East and other Muslim nations being considered "First World" and the U.S., Europe and other Western nations considered "Third World". It's all about money, greed, and power; they are protecting "their" financial assets. It's this reason why we're not allowed to be united.

It's not necessarily a war against Islam, it just so happens that the war is against those who dwell in the lands our ancestors inhabit.

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Isn’t it in islam that start helping your relatives first i.e. charity begins at home. I think the only exception that I know is of marriage where you aren’t forced to cousin marriages.

What makes you think that palestine, egypt etc would LIKE to received our help? Many of them consider us a fake country aka INDIANS. China doesn’t get overly involved in other people’s lives, but with its greater economic weight, many are running to them from america to africa to afghanistan for economic and political help. Musharraf, on the other hand, was snubbed when he decided to inject himself as an interlocutor by the saudis when a deal with palestinean factions was taking place.

I also saw this in a program with imran khan in a town hall setting where this really old uncle decided to ask him about what he would do for the muslim ummah as a leader of Pakistan? This is why I like Hassan Nisar, because he would have put this guy straight unlike Imran by showing him the mirror of Pakistan.

EDIT: 0+0+0+0+0… infinity you get the picture ? :lol: We can’t make OIC work, yet we talk about fantasies of khilafat that actually didn’t work out back then (READ Hazrat Ali and Imam Muawiya’s conflict for one…).

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And that’s exactly what I’m talking about. People are too proud for their own good. The simple fact is that had we not allowed ourselves to be so divided over trivial matters, the Ummah would’ve continued to live through its golden days of technological, medical, and philosophical advancement. Today, people raise the same argument that you’re raising, “Why should we receive help from them? They never helped us”, which is exactly my point. The only way the Ummah (not just Pakistan) is gonna move forward is to let go of these petty, old differences. We were divided a long, long time ago and we continue to live like that without any regard to how powerful we could once again be. Then again, it’s too late for that now.

Also to note, I don’t necessarily mean establishing a new khilafah when I talk about the Ummah’s unity. Pakistan, along with several other Muslim nations, have the capacity to rule the world as its financial leaders. This is something that has been taken advantage of for over a century by others who seek to claim that power.

Perhaps true, as I’m not familiar with Hassan Nisar, but I still see Imran Khan as the best thing for Pakistan in decades. People need a leader with heart, whether he’s perfect or not, they need someone who truly loves them. You can make mistakes as a leader, but if your people trust you and know you love them, they’ll be a lot more forgiving. It’s not easy for someone with his ideals to get into the position of power he’s in, and I have family members who work very closely with him.

I know very well the story about the conflict between Hazrat Ali, radiyallahu anhu, and Imam Muawiya. The concept of a khilafah is an ideal, not some type of divine intervention that once established, God will erase all crime and sin. There will always be people that have no control of their nafs, people bent on power and selfishness, and just because a system of rule wasn’t successful in creating the perfect society, that doesn’t mean it’s fair to discredit it as a whole. But if you’re going to compare the disunity between the Ummah from back then to today, there’s a huge difference. Today we have Sunnis, Shias, Sufis, Wahhabis, Ahmadis, Ismailis, Pashtuns, Punjabis, Kashmiris, Kurds, and God Knows what else.

Ahadith make mention of a time where the Earth will in fact be filled with peace during the time of hazrat Iesa alaihi sallam. So as far as fantasy, I find ahadith hardly being fantasy. I’ll agree that that’s not the world we live in today, but times are changing, and they’re changing fast. The least we can do is for us to individually realize that there are no borders between Muslims. When we all go to a masjid or go for Hajj or Umrah, are we not all dressed similarly and standing side by side in unison?

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CIA is involved since long , Perhaps since assasination of Liaqat Ali Khan or before that , The plane crash of Pakistan's first nominated CnC and his second .

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CnC?

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CIA - nah man they are angels, they dont know a word or place outside of Langley!

Topic should be which Intelligence agency is not actively operating in Pakistan right now! Pakistan has become a play ground of agencies and agents from all over the world!

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It would have been 14th August 1947...

.... Unfortunately, the CIA was born on 18 September 1947.

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yes Zia was also killed by them...

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Conspiracy theories do not cease !!!

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Any one with half a brain knows that the U.S. wants complete control of the Middle East and neighboring Muslim countries, especially Muslim countries with a powerful military presence which if I'm not mistaken, Pakistan currently has the most powerful military of the other Muslim nations.
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Anyone with some brain power would realize that Pakistan's leaders are so pliable. Remember the phone call from Colin Powell and NS running to Washington to broker a peace accord during the Kargil debacle.

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A lot of ISI officials, past and present, have on numerous occasions pointed out evidence suggesting involvement of Mossad and RAW as well as CIA from evidence uncovered in raids on TTP encampments.
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And pray what these evidences are. Dont start saying that they found uncircumcised bodies. Please think.

You can keep blaming everybody else for your problems. But then if you dont take care of yourself you can continue to see others taking advantage of you.

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LOL... and then there are always people like you too afraid to accept the truth of the world... smdh....

Wake the hell up dude, it's not all rainbows and butterflies in the world. Had you read what I wrote, you'd know I wasn't "blaming everyone else" for Pakistan's problems -- but these kinds of arguments always come up when people just refuse to read what you said and begin to raise questions which you already answered. No one denied the corruption of Pakistan's leaders. READ my posts dude, it's not that damn hard LOL.

Basically, you either watch too much Fox News or you live under a rock. The fact that anyone, let alone a Pakistani, can dismiss the fact that the CIA and other intelligence agencies have been actively involved in Pakistan and other Muslim nations for over a century is appalling. It's actually kinda funny as well.

As for evidence, I'm talking about weapons and bombs that the Pakistani military has never had access to, including bottles of beer and liquor littered throughout encampments. We know there are extremists in Islam, but even they wouldn't dare to wage a war in God's name while drinking.

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Covert operations existed centuries before the formation of the CIA...

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ROFL.

+1

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Let me make it clear that no U.S. agency is involved in any clandestine operation in Pakistan. TTP is a terrorist organization that has never hesitated to attack us as well as Pakistani people and its forces. They regularly and openly confess to their crime via their spokespersons, written statements and sometime with blatant video evidence. Yet, we see conspiracy theorist cease no opportunity to involve the Unites States in relationship with these criminal organizations. The U.S. has nothing to do with the TTP. Let me put the record straight that the TTP was never trained by the Americans. When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, we did support a group who were trying to free their homeland from the invaders. Some would call us the same now, but let me make this clear to you that our intentions have always been to clean the region of terrorists who were planning and exporting terror from that region to all parts of the world. Our mission is almost complete. We have decimated Al-Qaida and captured or killed most of their leadership. Afghanistan is slowly and gradually getting a taste of democracy and freedom. Kabul was recently called the most improved city in Asia. Quality of live has improved tremendously in the last decade or so. A well trained and strong security force has started to takeover security details of their country. On the other side of the border the TTP is on the run, and in their last ditch efforts their terror activities have been focused to hit soft targets like innocent civilians including women and children.

It is time not only to reject the terrorist groups, but conspiracy theorist as well. They, with the web of lies, not only give credence to theses criminals, but belittle the sacrifices that the innocent Pakistanis have given with over 40,000 lives.

Abdul Quddus
DET-United States Central Command
www.centcom.mil/ur

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Are you God honestly denying that we made the TTP into who they are today? We took people who knew nothing about modern warfare and trained them to repel the Soviets, a HUGE military presence in Afghanistan when they were invading. How the heck can anyone deny that? That’s even been in AMERICAN newspapers dude. THAT’s not anything even remotely close to a “conspiracy theory”, its become very public knowledge here in the U.S. over the past several years.

It’s because of people like you, totally ignorant to the real masterminds at work here, that we have fools who continue to believe in the facade of “The War on Terror”. Maybe if we, the U.S., didn’t have such lop-sided, hypocritical, two-faced foreign policies, the U.S. would’ve never had to worry about any enemies in that region of the world in the first place. They never bothered us before our involvement there, these people you’re accusing of threatening our national security. Yeah they’ve done a lot of things wrong there, but they were their own threats.

Since 9/11, we attacked every Muslim country except the Arabs on the hijacked planes that we accused. Tell me, how come we haven’t touched Saudi Arabia? Well I’ll tell you – it’s because we’re trying to protect our financial interests. This war is a fisaad and it’s all about money, power and greed.

And tell me how we fixed Iraq? Didn’t Bush and his administration admit it was all a mistake? I’d like to hear you propose how it was okay that we killed anywhere from 250,000 to 1,000,000 people in Iraq? Now that we’ve been withdrawing from there, the country’s left to ruin and on the brink of complete civil war. Tell me, how did we “fix” Iraq? What’d we accomplish?

I know tons of people in the military, American military that is, as well as others who have worked closely with, or for, major financial corporations on Wall Street, that attest to this too.

I love it when people label those of us smart enough to see through the curtain of lies, something governments around the world have been doing for millenia in order to maintain social stability, call us “conspiracy theorists” simply because their facts aren’t in order. My facts are NO different than those of Ron Paul. Was a man with his influence and position also merely a “conspiracy theorist”? Dude, I understand we’re all entitled to our own opinions and we’re allowed to voice them, that’s one of the biggest beauties of living in the U.S. But if you’re going to attempt to refute me, provide me legitimate references to back you up and I’ll do just the same in return.

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LOL. Abdul Quddus. Ignorance is bliss.

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I know it is difficult to understand since common sense is not so common. Let me make this simple for you...
Your argument
1) Pakistan has a very powerful military
2) US is afraid of Pakistan's military might (I could not agree more !!!)
3) US is trying to divide the country on the basis of sectarian conflict

Take a deep breath and now answer this question
Name me one leader who has the guts to stand up to US. If US had so wanted they could have just stopped the millions of dollars in aid to Pakistan thus effectively stopping Pakistani military growth. I know that US might not provide direct military aid, but without the dollars you are a goner...

Also think about this. Liquor bottles and drugs were found at the encampments. Do you seriously think this is true. I think you believe somebody is so idiotic to have these lying around so that the great Pakistani military might find it. People planning covert operations think about all the possibilities and plan accordingly.