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Saudis don't even allow Shi'a masjids to be built.
What a ****ty place to live in then !!!!!!
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And still a larage group of people in pakistan wants to implement a messed up system like saudi arabia...... . i guess then pakistan is a far far place better than saudi arabia where atleast non muslim can worship without any major problem.
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Non muslims are not even allowed to bring their religious books. If the customs find bible or other books they tear it up and throw in the garbage. Seen it happening at Dahran airport.
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Non muslims are not even allowed to bring their religious books. If the customs find bible or other books they tear it up and throw in the garbage. Seen it happening at Dahran airport.
Are you serious...... ??????????????
That is absolutely Wrong and yet they claim to be the holder of true islamic values.
screw that mentality
Arrogant B****s.
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As I said earlier, seen it happening myself. If somebody else had told me I might not have beieved it.
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dudes and dudettes, i hope things have changed but in the 80s you could not even wear tshorts with spiderman or superman on them.
thats how strange they were, interesting how the mutawa patrols enforcing 'morality' and all was copied by taleban, guess the indoctrination of saudi thought did work...also interesting how keen they were to safeguard their partner's prodigy and give him safe haven in their land.
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Are you serious...... ?????????????? That is absolutely Wrong and yet they claim to be the holder of true islamic values. screw that mentality Arrogant B****s.
yes i know it happen many times
Re: Muslims who live in the West while hating the West....
^Well since i am in saudi presently the have compounds for the Goras (westerners) with high raised walls and they have provided them almost 99 percent facilities withing the compound.
Its because of this they have also built churches within, and obviously some legal activities for them (though illegal for the public hope you get my drift)
Seminole may not know that Goras are provided more security than they can ever imagine in their own country. They can do whatever they please inside the compounds and "non-goras" are refused houses inside these compounds.
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we (pakistanis) are not that strict so we are therefore more tolerant. im not a control freak so i dont need everyone to conform to my ideals. saudis have their own ideals and as long as no-one is trapped into visiting im tolerant enough to let them determine their own constituition!
far left or far rightwing politics is the edge but its not actually banned in any free country
i do excuse the saudis, but its not the way i'd like pakistan to be run. i like my comfort zone provided by a not as strict society
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This ban on other religions is so stupid... There were churches and synagogues on the Arabian peninsula during the time of the Prophet, so who are the Saudis to deny them a place there?!?!?
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when the oil wells become dry.saudis will be no more than a beggar
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Seminole may not know that Goras are provided more security than they can ever imagine in their own country. They can do whatever they please inside the compounds and "non-goras" are refused houses inside these compounds.
Because the "non-goras" have a tendency to want to kill every "kaffir" they see.
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Seminole may not know that Goras are provided more security than they can ever imagine in their own country. They can do whatever they please inside the compounds and "non-goras" are refused houses inside these compounds.
Icon, you as a muslim Pakistani enjoy more rights in west than in Saudi. It's a fact.
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Seminole may not know that Goras are provided more security than they can ever imagine in their own country. They can do whatever they please inside the compounds and "non-goras" are refused houses inside these compounds.
What Seminole does know is that they are discriminated against and have no freedoms outside of these compounds. Are they supposed to be honored that they have to be walled in to enjoy any freedoms and need all this security so the whacked out wahabis don't try to blow them up? Help me out, is this a braggable point that somehow points out the generousity and benevolence of the Saudis? They hire cheap foreign labor and stick them in internment camps and "allow" them to practice their religion. Sorry, I'm not impressed.
If Muslims were treated the same way in the US you would be crying for jihad.
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seminole,
Yeh KSA has horrid laws in allowing ppl to practice their faith. that much i have said already and the rest of teh post is not reversding my position in anyway. Its more to explain the compound concept to you.
I lived in KSA so let me set the record straight here. expats and foriegners were not tossed in compounds by the locals or the govt. the compounds are hardly ‘internment camps’ and ppl are not forced to live there.
Additionally, the compounds were not there to protect them from local population, they have existed since way before any of the regional hostilities.
The multi-nationals they work for decided that to attract these foriegn workers they need to give them an experience similar to what they would have in their home countries as they may not be able to handle saudi way of life. So in saudi Arabia you have these compounds where things are going on that are completely against saudi laws, culture and norms, but allows the foriegn workers to live how they are used to.
here are a couple of sites about one of teh original and largest ‘compounds’ a mini ciry really..
even this major university outside Riyadh had its own residential areas, parks etc etc. imagine a huge gated community, if you dont live there you cant go in unless authorized by one of teh residents and u have to register. same was teh case with Aramco.
Unless the company requires ppl to live in these compounds, they dont have to, they can go live in the city. Most choose to live in compounds for the type of lifestyle they are used to, and of course housing is heavily subsidized. so most people do not choose to live outside these compounds.
Ppl who did not have the option to live in compounds wished that they lived in one of those., and for many it was a cheap vacation to go spend a week with friends who live in one of these compounds.
so a similar example would be if arab expats in US had a choice to live in compound where they could do things that US laws did not allow for, lets say call for prayers via loudspeakers 5 times a day.
or european expats in US had compounds where homosexuality was recognized, broadcast TV had frontal nudity, marijuana was allowed (those dutch party animals) etc.
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Thanks for the mini-course on compounds, Mr F. I kinda figured as much, I just chose to use incendiary terms like internment camp to emphasize my point that they have absolutely no freeedoms unless they choose to live in these segregated societies.
While I realize the benefits of living there, I can't liken it to an American compound for loudspeakers and nudists. We're talking about the very basic practice of religion here. The ability to build a mosque in an American city in plain view of everyone. The right to sit in a public park and read your holy book. The freedom to discuss religion openly in a cafe or academic setting.
If alcohol or other drugs are not allowed in these Saudi compounds, I get it. If there is a dress code for all citizens outside of the compound, I understand why foreigners must obey it as well. While I find the fact women can't drive cars incomprehensible, if it's law the of the land, then foreign women shouldn't be able to drive either.
Something about the very basic right to practice your faith goes beyond any of these cultural laws or norms. The fact that it can only be done in a walled compound is pathetic. So I would say the equivalent American example would be no Qurans for sale in the US outside of Muslim compounds. No mosques except in these walled cities. No Muslims on TV, in government or positions of leadership or authority. No respect for their culture or norms outside of these segregated areas.
While the idea of the compound may not have been to protect the foreigners, I feel sure the security today is to keep them out of harm's way from those who want westerners out of the pennisula and would use violence to do it.
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when the oil wells become dry.saudis will be no more than a beggar
Untrue.
They do and will likely be owners of the most diversified portfolio of global companies, real estate, banking systems (not just banks).
Their biggest risks are if the ruling royals start taking islam too much from words to deeds or usa forces them to 'really' stop funding jihadis
Re: Muslims who live in the West while hating the West....
Thanks for the mini-course on compounds, Mr F. I kinda figured as much, I just chose to use incendiary terms like internment camp to emphasize my point that they have absolutely no freeedoms unless they choose to live in these segregated societies.
While I realize the benefits of living there, I can't liken it to an American compound for loudspeakers and nudists. We're talking about the very basic practice of religion here. The ability to build a mosque in an American city in plain view of everyone. The right to sit in a public park and read your holy book. The freedom to discuss religion openly in a cafe or academic setting.
If alcohol or other drugs are not allowed in these Saudi compounds, I get it. If there is a dress code for all citizens outside of the compound, I understand why foreigners must obey it as well. While I find the fact women can't drive cars incomprehensible, if it's law the of the land, then foreign women shouldn't be able to drive either.
Something about the very basic right to practice your faith goes beyond any of these cultural laws or norms. The fact that it can only be done in a walled compound is pathetic. So I would say the equivalent American example would be no Qurans for sale in the US outside of Muslim compounds. No mosques except in these walled cities. No Muslims on TV, in government or positions of leadership or authority. No respect for their culture or norms outside of these segregated areas.
While the idea of the compound may not have been to protect the foreigners, I feel sure the security today is to keep them out of harm's way from those who want westerners out of the pennisula and would use violence to do it.
my point was just setting teh record straight on compounds/minicities/privtate towns. as far as allowing others the practice of religion goes, the place is horrid, I said as much already.
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hey its not just churches btw. non-salafi sunnies and shias had quite a few restrictions on them too, and still do. until recently there were limitations on having "other" kinds of mosques
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yah in saudi arabia its their way or the highway. Very closed society which needs to open up.