So I don't think it's a matter of whether there is a deviation or not, but rather a matter of frequecny and degree of deviation that calls for stern verdict...
True. Also, everyone's tolerance for the extent of deviation variee therefore what's allright or forgivable in your book maynot be so in someone else's. But certain individuals need to be held accoutable for their acts on a different level than, say, someone like you and I.
I've heard some British accents that make you wanna throw up...
You should come down South & midwest in amreeeka and hear some ladies talk.... Phew!
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**>>>So I don't think it's a matter of whether there is a deviation or not, but rather a matter of frequecny and degree of deviation that calls for stern verdict...
True. Also, everyone's tolerance for the extent of deviation variee therefore what's allright or forgivable in your book maynot be so in someone else's. But certain individuals need to be held accoutable for their acts on a different level than, say, someone like you and I.**
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dekho ghalib, if you decide to go philosophical on us then you should also warn us beforehand - there is just so little that we expect coming from you.
roman
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What else is this cry of help from you if not Psycho sexualsocial mother complex & oepipus fixation with mother figures for breast feeding .We may not be psychiatrists but know preud & psychology 101 for your information.
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Go ahead Face up talk
aarazuu jurma vafaa jurma tamannaa hai gunaaha ye vo duniyaa hai jahaa.N pyaar na…
Zohra, when a man finds a woman attractive, he is not always looking for his mother’s traits in a woman. In most cases, it is the absence of such traits that a man finds a woman attractive. No man wants to marry his mother (of course unless you live in England, e.g., Charlie – Italian men are also notorious to be Mama’s boys).
In addition to Oedipus, I hope you have also read about Electra (although it wont be in Psych 101).
Yeah I am a show off New Yorker, Got a problem Sanam? I think there was a connotation behind referring to Upper East side ( not boroughs which you happened to brought up) which you have failed to interpret.
I said to Roman what I felt and I perhaps do not care of your opinions abt New Yorkers because you are sure ain’t one dear.
and all this time i thought that this lady might really be something…
and this is what she turns out to be…
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/central/10/17/ret.amanpour.otsc/story.amanpour.jpg
L.I.
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Whats so great about living in 2nd.Israel.I never came to usa to end up living with Moshe Kahane & david Dudelberg!All the Israelis in u.s. live in N.Y.
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Ill let you on a secret ,you new Yorker work like animal for 50 weeks so that you can spend 2 weeks of vacation ,like we spend whole year!Like life should be.
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I ve been given a detailed tour of your burroughs & upper & Lower East Side ,you dont have to show your ignorence once more.Do you think in order to know about cancer a doctor HAS to be a cancer patient then why i have to live in N.Y. To know more than you about NY.
Wait till another Anthrax attack sends rest of the n.yorker fleeing like refugee
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kabir sweetie,
I'd love to see you jump in just about right now.
Dear Sanam, I think we cannot change each others point of views but perhaps allow me to express that I do not hate Israelis like you do as you have mentioned abt " Israelis living in NY".. it is more of a political situation and a debate and I think a lot needs to be said about it.. corner room is not a place for that. And calling NY as “people who work like animals”, hmm, perhaps we love to do what we do and enjoy our work, with or without vacation because we believe in a particular kind of work ethic, ( if you are familiar with the history of New England, you know what I am talking about). New Yorkers have proven to be strong in such a tough time of crisis ( please come and experience the odor of burning flesh) and speaking of Anthrax, I think you will evacuate your house too if it was infected. Do not mock those who are troubled and have suffered by some sick maniac playing with Anthrax, it is very very serious and a person have died because of it.
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**Dear Sanam, I think we cannot change each others point of views but perhaps allow me to express that I do not hate Israelis like you do as you have mentioned abt " Israelis living in NY".. it is more of a political situation and a debate and I think a lot needs to be said about it.. corner room is not a place for that.
Are you muslim or not ?If you are not ,then ofcourse you can do whatever ,i wont tell you.
But if you are true muslim,you should know how cunning bani Israeli has been to muslims.All i would ask for now is JUST BE CAREFULL .It is warned in koran,history of balfore declaration(btw do you know what is that??)& continued treachery meted out to the plaestenians &children & women with majority of financial support going from HYMIE TOWN ( do you know what that means & who said that? )Its not only Muslims but all the oppressed ppl. like Blacks (jesse Jackson called it hymie town fyi)palestenians ,arab, north african,every whjere the tentacles of yahud went ,they caused destruction devastation.There is no rascism in arming yourself with knowledge !
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And calling NY as "people who work like animals",, hmm, perhaps we love to do what we do and enjoy our work, with or without vacation because we believe in a particular kind of work ethic, ( if you are familiar with the history of New England, you know what I am talking about).
New Yorkers have proven to be strong in such a tough time of crisis ( please come and experience the odor of burning flesh) and speaking of Anthrax, I think you will evacuate your house too if it was infected. Do not mock those who are troubled and have suffered by some sick maniac playing with Anthrax, it is very very serious and a person have died because of it.
I most heartedly congratulate the New yorkers will & wonder what makes themplough through that traffic subways bus trains for hours each day ,only to show up inthe office before doing the same day after day resting not long enough to recover from previous days exhaustion tiredness & fatigue .I really commend your strength courage & brawn.
Hope you have nice day tomorrow fighting traffic
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Last night I went to NYC with a friend to hang out. It had been a while since I was there last time mainly because of Sept 11 attacks.
We were driving on West highway and I saw these bunch of people in the middle divider of the road with placards in their hands. They were standing there, waiving those placards at every single police car that went by. The placards read in big, bold words, "Thank you".
I think that's a great spirit. They didn't have to stand there and do it but they chose to. I'm sure in normal circumstances, the same people whould have been sitting in a bar drinking and having fun. But when city needed their moral support, they forgot about those cozy little corners and delicious food and company of their friends and joys of alchohol and chose to stand in the middle of the road to express themselves how they feel and do the best they can in present circumstances.
NYC reminds me of Lahore in many ways (and I'm not that frequent at city, btw). People are light-hearted and jolly. They have a night life and they live for it. Good food and beautiful women, and ronaq mela sorta atmosphere. They have a lifestyle that is not restraint to anything after work hours. You can do whatever you want, and there are plenty of places accomodating your interests.
Like any big city, New Yorkers do have an attitude that one may find individualistic or cold on times. They may be materialists and inhabitants of a life in fast lane, but that comes with the package. If you concentrate too much on the negatives, you lose sight of the wonderful positives that the city has to offer. NYC is an experience and if you don't have an attitude and personality for it, you will find yourself biased towards it. And do remember, seeing people with all sort of manners, behaviours, and attitudes in itself is quite intersting and worth experiencing if you keep an open mind and like to try new things. You must face the cold before you can appreciate the warmth.
The beauty of it is that you don't have to live in the city to enjoy and know it. You can live farther away and just visit it once in while. And sure enough, it accomodates you according to your taste and choice.
Well said Roman
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People today need to be more open towards others and not make generalizations abt circumstances without living and experiencing the life of a true cosmo city.
Sanam, again, your opinions are yours and you have a right to express whatever you desire. I quit this argument on the thread called “C.Amanpour”, but perhaps, if you start a thread on us sucky new yorkers, I would be happy to join it.
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You to two deserve each other ,in the mutual admiration club.And may be live & die there in the space left open by the martyred Arabian .May there ghost keep you company wherever they & you two end up with the bani Israel.
sanam sweetie, lemme guess, it wasn't really milk in your Cheerios today or was it?
PS. No, don't be blaming the dog now.
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abay... why getting angry...?!? She's rubbing you the wrong way (NO! -- Dont!!!!)
I say Roman is posting as Lady Intellect..
Sanam:
I know whatchs talking about. Faarghet these western New Yaarkers. LI is so much better, not to mention cosmopolitan, then Nueva York City...
Ghalib,
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Looks like that.
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Poor chap talks to his imaginary friend like a lonley looney ,talking to the wall,mirror & even onthe board with himself -Pathetic
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sick & pervert creep
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JUST SAMPLE OF WELCOME N.Y. TOWN
Same day Pakistani & Induian it dioesnt discriminate against any friend or foe
NEW YORK POLICEMEN MANHANDLE INDIAN ON B.DAY
Aseem Chhabrain New York
For his second wedding anniversary Uday Menon wanted to take his wife out for dinner and a Broadway show on October 10.
He wanted to see The Producers, the hit Broadway musical based on Mel Brooks’ classic film and winner of 12 Tony awards. But the show was sold out until April 2002, and so Menon settled for a Cole Porter musical, Kiss Me Kate, winner of five Tony awards.
The plan was that Menon, a 46 year-old consultant with J P Morgan, and his wife Surekha Collur, a physician at a Brooklyn hospital, would go out to eat at Mirchi, a new Indian restaurant in Greenwich Village, and then make it in time to catch the show at the Martin Beck Theatre, at 45th Street between Broadway and Eighth Avenue.
What Menon did not know was that, based on the suspicion of the Telecharge operator, the telephone service that sold him the tickets, there were four New York City police officers waiting at the theatre to nab him. When the couple arrived on the scene, the officers, fearing that Menon was a terrorist who was about to blow up the theatre, pounced on him, handcuffed him and dragged him into the street outside the theatre, while his seven-months pregnant wife watched in horror.
“The woman (the Telecharge operator) was very friendly,” Menon said, recalling his October 9 call to the agency. “I can’t remember anything strange or out of the ordinary in the conversation. She seemed to have all the time in the world.”
As Menon remembers, when he learnt that The Producers was sold out for the next several months, the Telecharge operator herself volunteered to read through a list of Broadway shows along with brief synopses for each event. When they settled on Kiss Me Kate, the operator first offered him $90 orchestra seats. Eventually Menon bought two $65 tickets in the mezzanine, which partially hangs over the orchestra.
The rest of the conversation between Menon and the operator would seem insignificant to anyone who has ever bought tickets on the phone. Menon inquired about the number of rows between his seats and the stage. He then gave his credit card number and the operator asked him for the expiry date as well as his mailing address.
“I never asked whether the theatre was going to be full, because I didn’t care about it,” Menon said. “All I wanted to know was whether the show was popular and whether the tickets were available. She finally said ‘Enjoy the show’ and told me that the tickets would be waiting for me the next day at the box office.”
On October 10, Menon and Collur reached the Martin Beck Theatre at 7.55pm. The lobby was empty as most people were already inside the auditorium for the 8pm show. While Collur got busy looking at the show posters and reading newspaper reviews, Menon walked up to the box-office window. When Menon gave his last name, the woman behind the window asked him to step aside. And within seconds the four officers, three of them in plain clothes, were all over Menon.
“Suddenly I felt my hands being grabbed from behind, my legs being grabbed and I think I was carried off the floor,” he said. He was then dragged about half a block away from the theatre towards Eighth Avenue.
“You feel really impotent,” Menon said about being handcuffed. “It didn’t hurt, but you can’t move your arms at all. You can’t do anything. It happened so fast. I kept asking them what the hell was going on? There were people gathered and they were watching.”
“My first thought when they grabbed me was this was some mistaken identity problem. I thought maybe I fit some terrorist’s profile. But at no point did I think that it had anything to do with my conversation on the previous day.”
To establish credibility with the officers, Menon mentioned that his wife was with him.
“So one of them mocked me and said: ‘Oh ya? And where is your wife’?”
Just then the visibly pregnant Collur came out of the theatre looking for her husband. And as the men frisked Menon and began to look through his wallet, Collur offered them her identity cards as well.
“By then they had realised that this was a big mistake, since I had nothing on me. But even at that point one of them threatened me in his Brooklyn accent and said: ‘Don’t get uppity with me now. I can put you away’.”
“The guy at the receiving end has to have some anger. I couldn’t be a saint. And they threatened to put me away.”
It was then that the officers told Menon that the Telecharge operator had reported him to the police. The operator’s report to the police said she believed that Menon did not care which play he saw, as long as it was a crowded theatre and he sat in the middle of the hall. Her interpretation: Menon, with his foreign name and accent, was going to blow up the theatre.
“And I said ‘What? What the \\\\ was she talking about’?”
The officers, all from the Midtown Precinct South, asked Menon what he remembered from the prior day’s conversation and then called the Telecharge operator to check her story.
Eventually, they removed Menon’s handcuffs and let him go. They did not apologise, but the one dressed in uniform told him that he had been nervous reporting to work that day.
“He was on a theatre beat and said: ‘You are afraid? Well, I was also afraid. I was afraid that my five-month-old daughter would not see her father tonight. I was supposed to grab you from behind and if you had an explosive, I may have blown up with you. These were the thoughts going through my mind’,” said Menon.
The police officer then escorted the couple to the theatre to pick up their tickets. The man behind the window was much more apologetic and informed Menon that their tickets were on the house. The couple was ushered in and seated in the orchestra section.
During the intermission, the house manager Carmel Gunther walked up to them and again offered her apologies.
“She said, ‘I believe it is your wedding anniversary and that you actually wanted to see The Producers. We can certainly arrange for you to see The Producers. Would you like to see it tomorrow?’ And I said no, not tomorrow.”
But Menon did accept Gunther’s offer. On November 6, he and Collur will see Nathan Lane and Matthew Broderick in The Producers, courtesy the Martin Beck Theatre.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/221001/dlfor07.asp
Pakistani journalist beaten up in New York
PTI
New York, October 22
In what appears to be a case of hate crime, a Pakistani journalist was beaten up here by three unidentified assailants.
Haider Rizvi said he went out on Saturday night to buy a pack of cigarettes from a local store in Brooklyn when three White men asked him about his origin.
“One of them looked at me and asked ‘are you from Pakistan?’ I replied, ‘Originally, yes.’ And that very moment, they started punching and kicking me,” Rizvi said.
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Hey wait a minute! 'creep' is not a nice word!
PS1. sanam darling, unlike most women you don't sound cute when you are pissed. I'm not sure but it might have something to do with your mediocre choice of words.
PS2. Cutting and pasting a long-winded article (which I doubt many people are gonna take the pain to read through anyway) to prove an obscure point is also a big NO NO.
PS3. You should have just thrown away the bowl of Cheerios.
PS4. Did ghalib also tell you I post under the nick 'NYAhmadi' too?
A good comeback is good for the soul.
It releases the bottled-up tension;
It makes you a better person after the release, that is;
It puts a glow on your face, probably else-where too;
And, not the least - it gives everyone something to do.
