Christianity a religion of peace?

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Jesus says in Mathew
10:34

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Discuss

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Re: Cgristianity a religion of peace?

It may be out of context, just read the other thread. Quoting something out of context is bad practice.

  1. There may be some prefix to this
  2. Prophet jesus (pbuh) may not have said this, the listner may have heared it wrong.
  3. Translation may have distorted the meanings

either way it does not reflect the teachings of holy prophet jesus(pbuh) which was not different than any other prophet i.e to call people towards worship of one God and establish peace on earth.

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Re: Cgristianity a religion of peace?

http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_gospels/instructions_to_the_disciples/mt10_34.jpg

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There has been sword-wielding, heathen-killing, muder-justifying prophets. Jesus was not one of them.

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Do you have a name in mind? Someone not placed there by those playing with gullible minds…

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For full understanding one needs to read what follows it as well: “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace, but a sword” indicates that what will follow Jesus’ mission on Earth will cause strife, enmity, and persecution to his followers. He explains it himself in his next word: “For I have come to turn ‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law - a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’” Matt.10v34-36

Those that would follow the teachings of Jesus, will experience persecution, seperation and conflict by their loved ones. The quote follows what Jesus taught his disciples in Matt.10v21-23:

“Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another.”

Clearly Jesus taught that his followers would be persecuted and that they should not retaliate when the persecution was done due to their believe.

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It is very easy to take a statement and twist it beyond reasonable limits. Christianity is a peaceful religion. There can be instances where people have misused christanity for their selfish reasons.

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Oh he would have if God had commanded him to do so. Of course, that wasn’t the purpose of his mission. And I dare killing in a war hardly qualifies as murder…

*M$N*NaMezZz*
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Yes, but most Christians I know are sane enough to think that this only holds true for Jesus’ particular case…as any agitation against the Romans would have meant instant demise of his followers. His purpose was to get the word out, not to change the political order or to establish a nation.

Pacifism doesn’t work, and I doubt Jesus was a pacifist…just a noble prophet who had his mind solely on his divine mission.

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Another question, slightly off topic but it's related to Christianity...

If Christian’s believe in the Old Testament and believe that its laws are from God then why is it that on so many occasions they have a problem with exactly the same (or similar) laws in the Holy Koran? Fair enough Christians may no longer choose to follow these laws out of convenience (which is a wrong approach according to us because we believe Jesus was sent to reaffirm the same Shariah/Law that was given to Moses and not sent with a new one), but how can you say you believe these laws have divine origin and the go onto criticise them? Do you think God could have once made a mistake? Or that He was a cruel and unloving God at one time and then only later changed to All-Merciful and All-Gracious in Christianity? He seems to either swing from one etxreme or the other, we Muslims are taught to live in hope of God's love/mercy and also the fear of His wrath/punishment both at the same time.

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By the way Jesus :as: was not sent to most present-day Christians, his message was only meant for the Children of Israel.

It’s clear from this Biblical verse that Jesus :as: like all other prophets who came before Rehhmat Al-'Aalameen :saw: were only sent to their own people. That’s the only thing these verse seems to have gotten right, the rest are obviously lies, I don’t think a noble person like Christ :as: would have made a bigoted comment against ‘gentiles’ by comparing them to dogs since they were just as human, and I believe he was more of a gentleman than to be so insensitive to the plight of a helpless woman in trouble, he was most definitely more merciful than he is being portrayed and I also find the idea that a commoner won over a Messiah as wise as him over in debate rather absurd, really I find this hard to believe regarding a prophet let alone God incarnate/the son of God which Christians exaggerate him status to be against his will, these are obviously lies ascribed to him by the early Christian clergy.

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I’m sure that is comforting for you to believe that if you want to follow other prophets who advocated violence. The Christian message ended with Jesus’ pacifism. He didn’t make any ifs, ands or buts in his teachings that would negate his peaceful message if others came after him to tame even more violent, further-from-God people. But after all these years, most Christians don’t understand his message so there is no reason to think a non-Christian would.

~ What's in a Joota ~
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Lies told by a person that lived with Jesus? Nonsense! I would rather believe the account of an eyewitness than someone having a problem with what the eyewitness reported.

Jesus came for the Jews, correct, BUT his last command to his followers were to take the message to ALL the nations.

Therefor go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

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Interesting is the fact that very few of the laws/regulations given to Moses exist in the Koran. For instance, the law about what could be eaten and what not:

I believe (might be mistaken) that only pork is prohibited in Islam while all the rest of the animals, birds, fish that was also prohibited for the Jews, are acceptable in Islam. Why not also take issue with Islam because they don’t follow what Moses taught the Israelites as from God?

~ What's in a Joota ~
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Jesus and christians immediately followed him HAD to be pacificists coz they knew they never had a chance if they resorted to violence.

But enlighten me

my christian frinds tell me that jesus’s pacifism will end when he returns he will be Israel’s king(or may be prime minister) and he wil have a big blue radiating swrod with which he will kill anyone who dares to challenge Israel

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Personally I don’t believe that there is any difference between Muslims and Christians. We both have been given a book, told to live by it and both battle with some of the laws.

Amethyst:eek:

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Please remember that there are many religions which come under the umbrella of “Christian” many of these groups differ in their beliefs. I have never heard of a blue radiating sword!

Please search far and wide for your knowledge of Christianity. It is not a perfect state of mind.

Amethyst :blush:

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Actually the concept of the return of jesus is present in Islam as well. According to the Quran and Hadith…Jesus will return to Earth …‘break the cross and kill the swine’…he along with Imam Mahdi will then battle the followers of Antichrist and eventually Jesus will slay the Antichrist in a place called Lod in Israel.

It would be unfair to say that Christianity alone portrays violence. All religions that believe in the coming of the judgement day talk of bloodshed…

But I personally believe that any religion is ‘violent’ or ‘non-pacifist’ if it cannot tolerate other religions. Acts of jihadists blowing themselves up and saffron clad maniacs swinging swords does not reflect any intolerance on the side of the respective religions as they are just a bunch of moronic, misinformed individuals led by an equally ignorant and idiotic set of ‘saints’ or ‘imams’ etc. The true in-tolerance of a religion in present day can be judged by how much of an effort it makes in trying to spread bogus information about other religion in order to gain converts into their own. In this respect alone, I would consider Christianity to be violent. Unlike other religions, Christianity has sought to convert people from the very beginning. This in fact is considered the most sacred duty of a christian.

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I have no idea about this. Perhaps they have Jesus confused with Luke Skywalker.

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When ones own religion has similar accusations aimed at them then one should have more sense and be more sensitive towards other religions and beliefs. Its a sin to portray something in bad light when one knows nothing about it, its even worse if its done on purpose. Jesus is a great prophet in Islam and i'm quite certain that he would never advocate violence unless in the form of defence.I think this verse is either taken out of context. is unreliable or completely fabricated.

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