As long as you found your friend trustworthy, and have enough proof from her behaviour that she is trustworthy, it was fine for it is made halaal to eat from people of the book except what is not Taiyabb.
I want to emphasize on one point though.... it is true that Quran does say that food from people of the book is halaal... I ask you one thing.... Christians these days eat pork too then why not go ahead and implement the same ayah and make it halaal?? of course you can not.. because same quran forbids pork .. right??? so when looking at the permissibility ayaah one must look quran as a whole... where we are forbidden to eat pork, we are told not to eat any animal which is not slaughtered after taking the name of Allah.... guidelines are explicit in Surah Anaam..
aside from looking up uran for permissibility, you must also consider
there is no marked difference in christian methods of slaughter now or from centures ago. Thus that is a non issue. It is not time bound, it is concept bound and the concept has not changed.
The animals are not as offrings to some other diety etc so its okay.
does this mean that a Muslim can go to a typical US grocery store and get typical steak? Or a typical "Perdue" or "White Rose" chicken? Are these considered halaal? In our area, we can get "kosher" chickens but these are 6.99/lb (!!!!) while the perdue chickens are 1.99!!!!! If the whole thing is about "how" they were slaughtered I guess theres not much we can do about it, but then again, the result is the same isnt it? Most US slaughterhouses use a staple to the head and I dont see too much difference between that way of death as opposed to slitting the throat.....thats where I get confused
aside from looking up uran for permissibility, you must also consider
there is no marked difference in christian methods of slaughter now or from centures ago. Thus that is a non issue. It is not time bound, it is concept bound and the concept has not changed.
The animals are not as offrings to some other diety etc so its okay.
There is a change... Christians back then used to follow Torah in slaughtering.. they do not do it now....
I read an article by Justice Taqi Usmani once where he also explained why only orthodox jewish kosher is the one that is permissible in the context of that ayah... Orthodox jewish take the name of God on each animal before slaughtering but others takes once and slaughter all the animals present...
anyway, this issue is a controversial and one of the school of thoughts has the point of view what you mentioned.... I happened to disagree with that but I do not term it wrong as well.. I, for one, do not feel comfortable going by that reasoning and for me the others view point which makes sense to me as well holds more water ..
Mamof3: staple to the head is JHATKA and clearly HARAM for a Muslim
Sorry, what is "JHATKA"? If its "mean", well lets take a look at that. A staple to the head takes out all concious knowledge of whats going on. Slitting the throat lets the animal bleed to death with the full knowledge that it is dying. I've been witness to this and the animals are so scared that they lose control of their bowels. IMHO, the staple may be a kinder and quicker way.
aside from looking up uran for permissibility, you must also consider
there is no marked difference in christian methods of slaughter now or from centures ago. Thus that is a non issue. It is not time bound, it is concept bound and the concept has not changed.
The animals are not as offrings to some other diety etc so its okay.
I read an article by Justice Taqi Usmani once where he also explained why only orthodox jewish kosher is the one that is permissible in the context of that ayah... Orthodox jewish take the name of God on each animal before slaughtering but others takes once and slaughter all the animals present...
anyway, this issue is a controversial and one of the school of thoughts has the point of view what you mentioned.... I happened to disagree with that but I do not term it wrong as well.. I, for one, do not feel comfortable going by that reasoning and for me the others view point which makes sense to me as well holds more water ..
Mamof3: staple to the head is JHATKA and clearly HARAM for a Muslim
so r u saying that eating kosher meat is acceptable as oppose to non-kosher/zabiha meat? arent there different rulings for this as well?
i've always been confused on this issue myself....i eat zabiha simply because i have done so my entire life...the sad thing is that im not sure if i actually HAVE to. either way I would still continue to do so because anything that has been slaughtered using Allah's name must be good for you.
For question 1- depending on which school of thought you are in, its the halal versuz zabiha question. the meat from pople of the book is allowed, many people thus consider it hallal i.e. prmissable, versus harram i.e. forbiden. Zabiha on the other hand is the proper islamic way of slaughter.
Question #2- there is a lot that we can do about ‘how’ they were slaughtered, the osher industry does just that .. does it not?
Question #3- result is actually not the same, its not just a question of how the animal is kileld but also draining of the blood and lymphatic fluids etc. I get meat from non zabiha sources which is sometimes dripping with blood. and while I am not a 100% zabiha only person I prefer to get meat from zabiha places, the quality is better its fresher, it does not have artificial coloring to make it lool all red and fresh, its from better cattle (vegetarian feed, no homrones, no antibiotics etc)
Question #4- There are studies that show how stunning impacts the ability to drain blood from the animal. and that is one of the key parts of zabiha..
I am not a scholar by any means, but everything that I have read indicates that it is a better approach.
There is a change... Christians back then used to follow Torah in slaughtering.. they do not do it now....
incorrect, if you read up, you will know that the european christians did infact NOT follow the torah in how they slaughtered, even in the time of the prophet
I read an article by Justice Taqi Usmani once where he also explained why only orthodox jewish kosher is the one that is permissible in the context of that ayah... Orthodox jewish take the name of God on each animal before slaughtering but others takes once and slaughter all the animals present...
similar to the prerecorded duaa being played on a loop in Saudi slaughterhouses
anyway, this issue is a controversial and one of the school of thoughts has the point of view what you mentioned.... I happened to disagree with that but I do not term it wrong as well.. I, for one, do not feel comfortable going by that reasoning and for me the others view point which makes sense to me as well holds more water ..
as long as we realize that there are diff schools of thought its okay.
animals are scared regardless..and the losing of the bowels is a phenomenon less from being scared and more from the body spasm.
In slaughter, as one is supposed to do, it has be with a sharp knife and quick, the idea is to cut the main artery to the brain vry swiftly along with the nerves,
I have been a witness to the slaughter method, and I have been a witness to the slaughter houses in US. I infact worked at Iowa Beef Plant (IBP) in Emporia, Kansas during a summer in undergrad since it paid pretty good 10 bucks/hr in 1990 was a lot of money for a college student, I was not on the stunning, skinning and all side but the final packaging, however I could not handle it and left in 2 days. Let me tell you, those animals are scared ****less, there is smell of blood in the area..and before the animals are even led into the stun area.
Question #2- there is a lot that we can do about 'how' they were slaughtered, the osher industry does just that .. does it not?
Question #3- result is actually not the same, its not just a question of how the animal is kileld but also draining of the blood and lymphatic fluids etc. I get meat from non zabiha sources which is sometimes dripping with blood. and while I am not a 100% zabiha only person I prefer to get meat from zabiha places, the quality is better its fresher, it does not have artificial coloring to make it lool all red and fresh, its from better cattle (vegetarian feed, no homrones, no antibiotics etc)
Question #4- There are studies that show how stunning impacts the ability to drain blood from the animal. and that is one of the key parts of zabiha..
I am not a scholar by any means, but everything that I have read indicates that it is a better approach.
^which is exactly why i stick to eating zabiha despite the fact that there is confusion and controversary among scholars.
thanks for that post.
however im still a bit confused about kosher meat? are the slaughtering methods the same? or no? i know some people who eat zabiha and kosher and thats it. why do they think it's ok to do so?