I am sure if you started counting, you’ll probably find that you utter the word India/Indian more time in a day than you take God’s name.
Why the obsession ? 
LOL… Ironic hearing that from and INDIAN on a PAKISTANI forum..
Go get a life..
Re: China should disintegrate India: Strategist
^ Predictable response Try something new for a change.
LOL… Dont cry little Indian…
Re: China should disintegrate India: Strategist
Why are the Indians always fighting with their neighbours. Pakistan, China, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.
India keeps mum on Chinese border incursions
New Delhi: A day after Chinese border violations were reported one and half kilometres inside Ladakh New Delhi remains unwilling to take on the Chinese provocations.
Meanwhile, China conducted its biggest ever military exercise involving four military commands and 50,000 troops. The troops could also spearhead any future Chinese attack on Ladakh and the signals are ominous.
Ladakh has seen a steep rise in Chinese troop intrusions right from Trig Heights, Chumar, Pangong Tso Lake, Spanggur Gap to Demchok.
Chinese army patrols have also been seen making frequent visits in Arunachal Pradesh’s Tawang. Upper Subansiri and Walong.
The mystery is that while intrusions are well documented and sometimes happen practically every day in a month India betrays a strange lack of action.
** While any cross border firing by Pakistan merits a strong reaction from India but when it comes to China it seems the asymmetry in size and power paralyses South Block rendering it unable or unwilling to develop a strong yet measured response to Beijing’s provocations. ** 
Why are the Indians always fighting with their neighbours. Pakistan, China, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.
You forgot Nepal
Chinese incursions on the Indian territory have been increasing but India seems powerless to stop them. Earlier this year, a Chinese helicopter violated Indian airspace in Ladakh. Recently, the word ‘China’ was painted on rocks near the Ladakh border.
The Government says these intrusions take place because the India-China border is not clearly demarcated in this area. But China does not accept what India believes is the existing border.
The Ministry of External Affairs has also said that these incursions are not an issue and violations of airspace are simply navigational blunders by helicopters because the borders are not well-defined.
And that leads us to the question that was being asked on CNN-IBN’s Face The Nation: Is China India’s greatest threat in the region?
To try and answer the question on the panel of experts were CPI (M) leader Nilotpal Basu; Defence Analyst and Rear Admiral (Retd) Raja Menon; and former diplomat G Parthasarathy.
At the beginning of the debate 90 per cent of the people who voted in agreed that China was India’s greatest threat in the region, and only 10 per cent disagreed.
China: India’s greatest threat?
G Parthasarathy kick-started the debate saying, “With regard to the Ministry of External Affairs, I can say that they are making the same mistake which Jawaharlal Nehru made – pretending a problem does not exist when it does. In 2002, we were preparing to exchange maps with China over what is the Line of Control. China backed off because they did not want to define the Line of Control then. Then we went into a new pattern of border talks. After 2005, they have become very aggressive on their claims in Arunachal Pradesh, saying the whole of Arunachal is South Tibet and they are pushing this in international forums as well. Now since the Line of Control is not demarcated, the Ministry of External Affairs is saying it cannot be regarded as intrusions from the Chinese point of view.”
He added that the fact of the matter was that the number of incidences and the level of penetration after 2005 have increased and Chinese troops deployment have increased.
He further stated, “There are statements on Chinese websites which say that they will divide India into 30 parts. The latest is that they have been training an army in Manipur.”
The reality is that China wants to expand itself geo-politically in South Asia. The question is: Is there a difference in perceptions in the way defence forces see it and in the way diplomats see it especially since the Army Chief has been saying that strong measures have to be taken against these incursions.
Raja Menon said that a problem like this with China is potentially dangerous.
“The Chinese have a saying called ‘teaching a lesson’. It is a part of their strategic vocabulary. As far as they are concerned, 1962 was not about grabbing territory but it was about teaching India a lesson. They don’t believe that we should talk, because until one finishes talking, one can’t use force. They feel that using force is part of negotiations, so we are in a dangerous situation here,” he said.
He said that most armed forces around the world were brought up to believe that war was another form of diplomacy but that there was a thin dividing line. For the Chinese, he said, that dividing line did not exist.
“Mao had said that armed forces and negotiations were compatible, on the same plane,” Menon stated.
Parthasarathy added here that the way China was supplying nuclear weapons technology to Pakistan, equipping Pakistan’s air force with 150 front range aircraft, showed that China obviously has a policy of containment of India.
India playing into America’s hands?
Parthasarathy stated, “All I am saying is that let’s be realistic and not keeping saying Hindi-Chini Bhai-Bhai, that they are our comrades.”
Communist Parties in India have an ideological affinity to China but did they feel now that the national interest of both the countries was on a collision course?
To this Nilotpal Basu said, “I think in no way can the patriotism of Indian communists be questioned. In 1962, we had pointed out that there was a border dispute between the two countries which needed to be resolved through a dialogue process. Unfortunately, though China has come around to seeing our point of view, in the last few months we have been hearing this extreme China bashing by India. I think it is coincidental with the increasing tendency towards multi-polarity in the world today. There are forces in India which want the global uni-polar architecture to continue even though Americans are losing a lot of leverage they had earlier, post the financial meltdown.”
“China has resolved border disputes with 27 countries and we hope that saner council will prevail and we should be able to resolve our dispute peacefully through a dialogue process so that the full scope of the multi-polar world can be got. There are so many forums on which India and China can come together - like WTOs and climate change forums - and contribute more positively to the architecture of the contemporary world,” he added.
What he was trying to say was that India was playing into America’s hands.
Parthasarathy said, “Let me put it this way - it is China which has endeavoured to spoil our relations with the US. Let’s not forget they teamed up with Nixon in 1971 in Mao Tse Tung’s time. Secondly, I agree with Nilotpal Basu that we have to engage with the neighbour - especially a powerful one which is also a permanent member of the UN Security Council. But we cannot ignore Chinese behaviour when they lay claim to an entire state in India, when their military strength leads close to our deployments at the border, when they are arming Pakistan and when they go to the United Nations and block the declaration that Lashkar-e-Toiba is a terrorist organisation. What has China got in common with the Lashkar-e-Toiba to block it in the UN?”
“Let us be very, very clear that China is a great country, a powerful neighbour and we have to live in peace, we have to seek cooperation. But if China plays balance of power politics and it plays according to its own rules, then we have to look out for our own interests,” he added.
Parthasarathy said, “We need a multi-polar world, I agree with Mr Basu, but not on Chinese terms.”
China, a bigger threat than Pak for India
China ruthlessly pursuing own interest?
The panelists said China is not a democracy, it plays by its own rules and it doesn’t care about international rules.
There was an article which came out in the China International Institute of Strategic Studies which said: “India should be broken up into 20-30 independent nation states by China, that the Indian state is nothing but a Hindu religion state based on caste exploitation, that China should support ULFA and that there should be another Bengali nation next to Bangladesh.”
These statements don’t assure India about Chinese intentions. Nilotpal Basu defended China’s position saying that there were millions of crazy people roaming around cyber space and nobody has control on them.
“If we take all these things seriously, then no one can save us,” he stated.
Raja Menon interrupted here saying, “We don’t have to take seriously, the things that people say but we do have to take seriously what they are doing here on the ground. This whole business of them making Pakistan a nuclear power began in the mid '80s, when India was not threatening anybody and we had a slow growth rate. We started growing only after 1991. But they calculated in 1985 that we needed to be kept south of the Himalayas. They started the whole thing.”
Parthasarathy said, “China is a challenge because it wants to be the unquestioned great power of Asia on its own terms. They have started deploying their Navy in Indian Ocean. India will take years to match that but for the first time they are seeing a potential in India - provided India plays its diplomatic cards well. They are very concerned about what India is doing in South East Asia, they are very concerned about the way we are making inroads into Myanmmar.”
Don’t underestimate China
Parthasarathy said the only way to win the respect of the Chinese was to grow at 10 per cent per annum for the next 10 years, have five nuclear submarines and have a very strong military force.
“China respects hard military power. Not soft power. They acknowledge our soft power and they are quite envious about it but they still don’t see how we can convert that into usuable military hard power. And if we don’t have hard power, we don’t matter to the Chinese,” Menon stated.
Parthasarathy agreed saying China had a measure of contempt, mystification and envy as far as India was concerned.
“They are our neighbour, we have to engage them, but let us engage them from a position of strength - economic and political. Let us have no illusions of this bhai-bhai business. Keep your options open, work with China on various levels, but never underestimate their inclination to use power and be ready for it,” he said.
China is a country which is not a camp follower, it negotiates on its own terms. Is this a foreign policy paradiem which India should emulate?
To this Basu said, “No country can emulate another on a one-to-one correspondence basis. Chinese foreign policy is independent, I agree, but I feel Sino-Indian relationships would have surged much further if the shadow of the US had not clouded the atmosphere. All this talk is suiting American interest the most. No single power will dominate the world in the 21st Century. It has to be a multi-polar world. There is unfortunately a display of raw and mighty power to redesign the world on uni-polar lines. We need a more democratic interaction with China.”
Parthasarathy begged to differ saying the Chinese dealt very well with the US. “It is very rarely that you will find China not agreeing to a resolution put forward by the US in the Security Council. China used the US against us during the Bangladesh conflict, after our nuclear test and it was China working with the US which stymied our permanent seat with the UN Security Council.”
“We are not using the US against China. It’s the other way round. They have a relationship with the US which is independent and which is why Hillary Clinton and Obama regard it as the most important country in the 21st Century. Let’s be real,” he stated.
Menon said that no one in their right senses was looking at a war between India and China.
“We are saying we cannot be pushed and we must have a strategy to ensure we don’t get pushed,” he concluded the debate by saying.
**Final results of the SMS/Web poll: Is China India’s greatest threat in the region?
Yes: 91 per cent
No: 9 per cent**
Awwwwwwwwwwww… New friend in the form of Lanka ?
You forgot Nepal
For a change you could have added Bhutan also. :p
Re: China should disintegrate India: Strategist
The Chinese economy is in a mess. Its pet stooge Pakistan is in a mess, so China cannot use it to wage a proxy war against India. Chinese need something to boost their sagging morale. These acts are nothing more than their frustration spilling over :)
The Chinese economy is in a mess. Its pet stooge Pakistan is in a mess, so China cannot use it to wage a proxy war against India. Chinese need something to boost their sagging morale. These acts are nothing more than their frustration spilling over :)
trying to humos us or just plain ol ignorance?... Care to backup your diatribe with ground realities. Start with poverty figures or global hunger index for S. Asia and include big bad Chinese in the list.
OK. Bury your head in the sand and stay happy
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Beijing is experiencing an exceptionally cold winter this year. For the first time, the Chinese regime worries about the sharply declining economy. However, during its 2008 Central Economic Work Conference, officials routinely boasted about economic growth and in the same breath complained about the overheated economy; they emphasized the need to control investments.
**The Chinese stock market has declined at a rate faster than any industrialized country and the markets of almost all developing countries. The housing industry is in a slump. Existing housing sales have declined drastically; even state-funded housing has many vacancies. The number of businesses closing and the unemployment rate are increasing. Provinces that are exporting migrant workers are experiencing tremendous pressure from the millions of returning workers; even the export business, which the Chinese economy has relied on, experienced negative growth this November for the first time in more than a decade. Many high profit-businesses, including state-owned monopolies, have seen sharp declines. **
In July and August of 2008 I published three commentaries entitled, “The Chinese Economy Is Sliding Into Crisis” for Radio Free Asia. Many economists were skeptical, and friends questioned me, wondering if my cautionary remarks were unfounded. The majority of them thought that in the face of the worldwide financial depression, China is in a unique position, enjoying a better outlook. I am certain that five months later, these doubters must realize they ought to have changed their views.
Expense of Cheap Goods
The current Chinese financial crisis has made economists who study China’s economy understand three issues better. The first one is the vulnerability of China’s economic growth. The sharp decline of the Chinese economy, i.e., 3 percent or more in one year, is an absolute rate of decrease rarely seen in any other country, aside from times of war or a devastating natural disaster. This vulnerability derives from the unhealthy nature of China’s economic growth. Specifically, the Chinese economy has relied heavily on undercutting and under-pricing of goods and services. This artificially created an ultra-low pricing system, in particular, fed by super low labor costs and [lack of] environmental protection costs. This is not sustainable and can quickly diminish the seemingly magical economic growth in China in no time.
Cheap Labor Is Volatile
The second issue is how vulnerable Chinese society is in a declining economy. Once the economy declines, the whole society, especially those who live at the bottom of society are quickly agitated. This type of vulnerability comes from prolonged and exacerbated injustices in allocating resources and manpower, coupled with political corruption at the expense of economic development.
The economic growth and the anticipated growth benefits have become a pretext for the ruling party’s legitimacy. When growth encounters problems, people soon lose their confidence and thus their tolerance of injustice and corruption. People hasten and withdraw their perceived legitimacy for the ruling party, just as they would withdraw their bank account anytime banks are collapsing. Once the phenomenon occurs, the force is unstoppable. It will not only engulf the economic achievements over the past 30 years, but also lead to an overall break-up in society.
Applauding China’s Economic Independence
The third vulnerability is China’s low immunity against international economic depression. Not long ago, both those arrogant economic nationalists and Western scholars who work for the Chinese regime praised and applauded “China’s economic independence.” They preached that the fast-moving and well-developed Chinese economy had already enabled the Chinese system to sustain growth by completely relying on its own market and economic strength. This fairy tale has been completely shattered in the face of the current crisis.
This crisis surely has its own fundamental causes; undoubtedly, the West’s financial depression is worsening China’s economic crisis. The worldwide depression is not only intensifying the failing Chinese economy, but is also limiting China’s capacity to resolve its crisis. The Chinese regime’s increasing efforts to restore the previous volume of exports clearly demonstrates this point.
if you are gona cut & paste selectively bout chini this and chini that then atleast do some research first.
First and foremost there is simply no comparision with Chini bhai in the first place. But if you insist start with the following few and tackle one at a time..
- Poverty
- Per capita income
- Hunger Index
- Literacy
- Infrastructure
There are zillion more I can go on but for now please start with the above 5, lets see. These are some of the key indicators. Hope its is not too much for you. 
P.S: And please please no yada yada yada… thankooo much much.
Re: China should disintegrate India: Strategist
Wait first question about the article and we move from there. Since when is China an industrialized nation?
We are not comparing India & China here. We are talking about China’s deteriorating economic conditions (independent of India) which are talked about in the article I quoted.
Now, think of some relevant arguements and try again.
That is like taking it out of the context, put it in regional and/or global prespective accounting for recessions and global economy going south…
Either way throwing in “India” is purely due to population size just to give you an idea. Other then that China is way ahead of majority of the countries on the planet and without a shadow of a doubt way ahead of any country in S. Asia. hope you grasp the idea.
Oh BTW going back to discussion at hand, China is not planning to go to war to cut India to pieces, That is not the Chinese way of doing things unless provoked… The Author claims that India is doing quite well on its own, all it needs is covert help to groups inside India and teh job is done.
The Chinese economy is in a mess. Its pet stooge Pakistan is in a mess, so China cannot use it to wage a proxy war against India. Chinese need something to boost their sagging morale. These acts are nothing more than their frustration spilling over :)
How is the Chinese economy in a mess?
They are coming out of the recession....