China should disintegrate India: Strategist

mo293 · September 9, 2009, 4:18am

Punjabee_in_USA · September 9, 2009, 1:40pm

See article quoted in post # 115

CM · September 9, 2009, 7:49pm

Re: China should disintegrate India: Strategist

Matsui I am amazed with your posts. You have a background in finance and banking yet you post an article that states that China is an industrialized nation. Did you buy you degree off the streets in Bangalore?

Seriously. That article is wrong in its very first paragraph.

Med911 · September 10, 2009, 4:46am

LOL… Chinese Economy is in mess!!! Jealous much!!!

Half the world is Chinas stooge. From East Asia to Bangladesh, to Africa and beynd. Chinas economic clout is eclipsing the malnoursihed poverty stricken Hindus.

And now they are increasingly becoming a threat to weak Indians…
And while you bark your little heads off, and gloat over your single Nuclear sub that has yet to get through tests, China is leaps and bounds ahead of you:hehe:

I can guarantee you that Chinas economy will continue to grow, while you HINDUstanis continue to lame attempts at catching up:)

I think you will do better to compete with Pakistan as China is truly out of your league.

Raj_ind · September 10, 2009, 9:05am

Thanks for talking so decently about me and my ppls. I cant expect anything better from one who is among the best of ppls, evolved for mankind, ie Muslims.

How true, and U have reasons to be proud for ur friend too.

Okay, no need for a gaurantee card. They are better than Indians at work, even they wont allow muslims to fast during holy month of Ramadaan, so its obvious that they will grow. Unlike Indians who cant even dream of such devilish act. So good luck for friends of Pakistaan.

U are such a great authority on subjects like this one, plz enlighten us how much time India needs to become like Pakistan of today? or can we ever dream like this???

Peace to U brother.

Punjabee_in_USA · September 11, 2009, 2:10pm

Comprehension problems ? Read this part again -

If I made a statement like Pakistanis are taller (or shorter/fatter…fill in the word) than any Caucasian and almost all subcontinent people, does that mean I am saying Pakistanis are Caucasians ?

mercenary2k · September 11, 2009, 2:47pm

Re: China should disintegrate India: Strategist

^^ we are light skinned than you, stronger, taller and more athletic than you

and your women are crazy about us

Punjabee_in_USA · September 11, 2009, 3:06pm

LOL…the last Pakistani that women in India were crazy about was Imran Khan

Btw, light skinned is out of fashion. Ever heard of tall, dark & handsome ?

However, you completely missed the point in my earlier post

saregamapa · September 11, 2009, 5:33pm

Beyond the Chinese fantasy: Will India Disintegrate?
Bhartendu Kumar Singh
Indian Defence Accounts Service
e-mail: [email protected]

The recent proposition by a Chinese strategist that China should facilitate ‘the disintegration of India’ into some 30 smaller states, so as to decimate all challenges to its supremacy and establish a pax-Sinica in the Asia-Pacific region, may have been dismissed at official levels, but the polemics do provide a glimpse into such fantasies. While such fantasies, being nursed by few scholars in China, clearly miss out the history and politics of India, they are not stand-alone proposals. In early sixties, the US – based scholar, Selig S Harrison rather declared that that India would fall apart into ‘12 states’. Bhutto fired up Pakistani nationalism by vowing a long war to break India and eke out Kashmir. Fortunately, India is united and raring to go!

The Chinese strategist’s assumptions are based on numerous sub-level identities that he feels cannot be assimilated into the wider Indian identity and therefore, sooner or later will drift apart. He envisions a ‘mid-wife’ role for China that will be in cahoots with friendly countries like Paksitan, Nepal and Bhutan. It is not very difficult to guess the imagined gains to China in case India disintegrates - China would be the undisputed leader of the region. At the global level, China would have more resources and diplomatic support to play the leadership game with the US. But then, China could find also find itself in a different kind of muddle, surrounded by an arc of unstable states.
While China may not attack India in the near future (as claimed by an Indian defence expert) and may never have the capacity to ensure India’s disintegration, it would certainly prefer a weaker India. Thus, at the macro level, China would not let US, Japan and India develop a common perspective and approach on China. Within the South Asian sub-system, China has been playing balance of power games for a long time to reduce India’s influence. Apart from Sino–Pakistan machinations against India, China has weaned away Nepal, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka considerably to its own sphere of influence. Its presence is ubiquitous in Myanmar and even a distant Maldives is being pampered. In all these countries, China has been busy constructing ports, roads, other infrastructure facilities and supplying economic and military aid. In return, it is systematically turning these countries against India.

Should there be a war with India, China can thrust through many regions to gain advantage. First, China could march through Nepal and capture part of UP and Bihar plains. Those who pooh-pooh the idea may consider the understanding between China and Nepal to extend the Qinghai-Tibet railroad to Nepal. Though commercial considerations may drive the project now, it could be used to mobilise Chinese troops in future. India does not have even proper defences along the Nepal border and has only sporadic garrison presence to counter any inward movement of Chinese troops. Second, in case China has an alliance with Nepal and Bangladesh, the three can combine together to cut off the Siliguri corridor, known in India as ‘Chicken’s neck’ since this narrow corridor connects northeast India to the mainland. It is debatable whether India can defend this most vulnerable tract with a single corps presence in the region. Third, China could align with Pakistan and the two could launch a two-directional offensive to segregate Kashmir valley from the rest of India. The situation could be more challenging if it comes with pre-fabricated internal disturbances in Kashmir valley. Last, China can also use oceanic route to attack India, either on its own or using the naval bases of Myanmar or Pakistan.

In all the above possibilities, India may suffer territorial damage but not disintegration at Chinese hands. Moreover, in contemporary international relations, states have broken not because of external wars or attacks, but out of internal crises and problems. India is no exception. More than China or any other country, it is India’s internal problems that may imperil the unity and integrity of the country. Witness for example, the menace of Naxalism, rampant in over two hundred districts which, if not tamed and managed in time, could be one factor that could lead towards disintegration. Management of such challenges is largely an internal issue and India can achieve the task by overcoming its ‘soft state’ syndrome. At the same time, a democratic India has more capacity to handle such internal discontent than China, which remains an autocratic country.

To be fair, unlike Pakistan and many other states, China stopped supporting secessionist forces against other countries in the 1970s and takes a benign view of internal affairs of other states. Certainly then, publicising such fanciful imaginations of India’s disintegration will neither be achievable nor in sync with China’s foreign policy goals. Perhaps, the sources of such fantasies lie in ignorance of India’s diverse but assimilative culture, its accommodative politics and the democratic arrangement of society and governing structures. Chinese scholars should rather focus on understanding these aspects of India that will help them appreciate its ‘unity in diversity’.

Note: The author is on deputation to the United Nations Mission in Sudan (UNMIS). The views expressed herein are those of the author alone.

Articles #2957 , Beyond the Chinese fantasy: Will India Disintegrate?

Med911 · September 12, 2009, 2:58pm

Tell that to the people over at “Fair n Lovely”.

Punjabee_in_USA · September 12, 2009, 8:11pm

Fair & Lovely is targeted towards women & Pakistani men

mercenary2k · September 12, 2009, 9:54pm

Re: China should disintegrate India: Strategist

^^ then why are indians these products always found in Indian stores and Indians their primary consumers?

mo293 · September 13, 2009, 12:13am

Nothing to do with discussion at hand but just in case so you not in the dark any more.

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the fairness business represents the lion’s share of a domestic skin care industry weighing about US$ 300 million and enjoying a growth rate of 15 per cent per year. Yes, skin bleaching is booming in India, and these American and European beauty lords are ferociously fighting each other and the local Indian beauty industry for their portion of this juicy market.

Med911 · September 13, 2009, 2:14am

You mean Sharukh Khan is Pakistani?!?!

mercenary2k · September 13, 2009, 6:11am

Re: China should disintegrate India: Strategist

does the fair and lovely cream actually work?

i hear its nothing more than a sun screen lotion....

pak-one · September 13, 2009, 6:51am

ICC Champions Trophy 3rd Match: Oct 17th, Pakistan V Sri Lanka, Jaipur

Beyond the Chinese fantasy: Will India Disintegrate?
Bhartendu Kumar Singh
Indian Defence Accounts Service
e-mail: [EMAIL=“[email protected]”][email protected]

The recent proposition by a Chinese strategist that China should facilitate ‘the disintegration of India’ into some 30 smaller states, so as to decimate all challenges to its supremacy and establish a pax-Sinica in the Asia-Pacific region, may have been dismissed at official levels, but the polemics do provide a glimpse into such fantasies. While such fantasies, being nursed by few scholars in China, clearly miss out the history and politics of India, they are not stand-alone proposals. In early sixties, the US – based scholar, Selig S Harrison rather declared that that India would fall apart into ‘12 states’. Bhutto fired up Pakistani nationalism by vowing a long war to break India and eke out Kashmir. Fortunately, India is united and raring to go!

The Chinese strategist’s assumptions are based on numerous sub-level identities that he feels cannot be assimilated into the wider Indian identity and therefore, sooner or later will drift apart. He envisions a ‘mid-wife’ role for China that will be in cahoots with friendly countries like Paksitan, Nepal and Bhutan. It is not very difficult to guess the imagined gains to China in case India disintegrates - China would be the undisputed leader of the region. At the global level, China would have more resources and diplomatic support to play the leadership game with the US. But then, China could find also find itself in a different kind of muddle, surrounded by an arc of unstable states.
While China may not attack India in the near future (as claimed by an Indian defence expert) and may never have the capacity to ensure India’s disintegration, it would certainly prefer a weaker India. Thus, at the macro level, China would not let US, Japan and India develop a common perspective and approach on China. Within the South Asian sub-system, China has been playing balance of power games for a long time to reduce India’s influence. Apart from Sino–Pakistan machinations against India, China has weaned away Nepal, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka considerably to its own sphere of influence. Its presence is ubiquitous in Myanmar and even a distant Maldives is being pampered. In all these countries, China has been busy constructing ports, roads, other infrastructure facilities and supplying economic and military aid. In return, it is systematically turning these countries against India.

Should there be a war with India, China can thrust through many regions to gain advantage. First, China could march through Nepal and capture part of UP and Bihar plains. Those who pooh-pooh the idea may consider the understanding between China and Nepal to extend the Qinghai-Tibet railroad to Nepal. Though commercial considerations may drive the project now, it could be used to mobilise Chinese troops in future. India does not have even proper defences along the Nepal border and has only sporadic garrison presence to counter any inward movement of Chinese troops. Second, in case China has an alliance with Nepal and Bangladesh, the three can combine together to cut off the Siliguri corridor, known in India as ‘Chicken’s neck’ since this narrow corridor connects northeast India to the mainland. It is debatable whether India can defend this most vulnerable tract with a single corps presence in the region. Third, China could align with Pakistan and the two could launch a two-directional offensive to segregate Kashmir valley from the rest of India. The situation could be more challenging if it comes with pre-fabricated internal disturbances in Kashmir valley. Last, China can also use oceanic route to attack India, either on its own or using the naval bases of Myanmar or Pakistan.

In all the above possibilities, India may suffer territorial damage but not disintegration at Chinese hands. Moreover, in contemporary international relations, states have broken not because of external wars or attacks, but out of internal crises and problems. India is no exception. More than China or any other country, it is India’s internal problems that may imperil the unity and integrity of the country. Witness for example, the menace of Naxalism, rampant in over two hundred districts which, if not tamed and managed in time, could be one factor that could lead towards disintegration. Management of such challenges is largely an internal issue and India can achieve the task by overcoming its ‘soft state’ syndrome. At the same time, a democratic India has more capacity to handle such internal discontent than China, which remains an autocratic country.

To be fair, unlike Pakistan and many other states, China stopped supporting secessionist forces against other countries in the 1970s and takes a benign view of internal affairs of other states. Certainly then, publicising such fanciful imaginations of India’s disintegration will neither be achievable nor in sync with China’s foreign policy goals. Perhaps, the sources of such fantasies lie in ignorance of India’s diverse but assimilative culture, its accommodative politics and the democratic arrangement of society and governing structures. Chinese scholars should rather focus on understanding these aspects of India that will help them appreciate its ‘unity in diversity’.

Note: The author is on deputation to the United Nations Mission in Sudan (UNMIS). The views expressed herein are those of the author alone.

Articles #2957 , Beyond the Chinese fantasy: Will India Disintegrate?

This is definitely better assessment of the situation. I don’t see China going all out to split up India. I guess my question to the Indians reading this: What are Indian strategic options to counteract this Chinese wall of influence?

in South Asia: Besides Pakistan, Myanmar could be counted in the Chinese sphere. I think Nepal, Bangladesh might not fall in that category as they vacillated before. Maldives and Bhutan are definitely in the Indian camp. Not sure about Sri Lanka.

Second question: If India is indeed being seen as split up militarily (ie Kashmir Valley being closed off along with Siliguri corridor) would the Indians go nuclear?

In my opinion, the Indians would presumably have unlimited US, Russian support in terms of conventional weapons and would not have to go nuclear. Besides the risks would be too great because of the Chinese second and even third strike capabilities where mutual destruction is guaranteed.

Med911 · September 13, 2009, 2:15pm

I think its the plecebo effect.. If Sharuk Khan repeats it enough times, all Indian men will believe it…
You simply “think” yourself white.

mercenary2k · September 13, 2009, 4:49pm

saregamapa · September 14, 2009, 2:21am

Construction by Chinese army across Karakoram: J&K report

Construction by Chinese army across Karakoram: J&K report - India - NEWS - The Times of India

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Punjabee_in_USA · September 14, 2009, 2:04pm

Targeted towards women (including Indian women) and Pakistani men