China is outperforming India

http://www.iht.com/articles/82365.html

NEW DELHI A decade ago, China’s per capita GDP was about the same as India’s. Today it is double. China is outperforming India in almost every facet of national competitiveness, attracting more than 10 times as much foreign capital, increasing its share of world markets and being courted as a responsible manager of global order.

While keeping costs as low as India’s and offering the allure of an even bigger domestic market, China has built much better highways, telecommunications, power supply, seaports, airfields and other infrastructure than India.

Meanwhile, some of India’s long-standing advantages over China are eroding or becoming less relevant, including English language competency, democracy and the rule of law.

Where China no longer allows ideology to come in the way of national interests, and its version of “socialism with Chinese characteristics” is starting to embrace capitalists within the fold of the Communist Party, significant groups of Indians remain resolutely committed to ideology. India joined the World Trade Organization not out of conviction but because it had little choice. China, by contrast, embraced the WTO as a lever for imposing external discipline to achieve key domestic economic reforms favored by the leadership. Indian economic nationalists remain fiercely opposed to foreign investment, insisting that it will undermine economic autonomy and domestic interests. Many Chinese see foreign capital as an essential tool to buttress national sovereignty. Foreign investment brings not just money for productive enterprises but also modern technology and management expertise to increase efficiency and productivity.

China’s leadership sees economic growth as the key to retaining its hold on power, increasing influence in the world and strengthening the military to cope with threats to national security, including international terrorism.

The level of foreign capital tied up in China gives the country a major lobby within the leading economic powers to shield it from hostile foreign government policies. This adds another layer of sovereignty protection.

Fifty years of socialist dogma and policies have left India with such bad infrastructure and mind-sets that foreign investors doubt they can make reasonable profits. Political and bureaucratic hurdles are labyrinthine, while bribery is rampant at many levels in the chain of decision-making required to get government approval. Debilitating state intervention and subsidies constrain rewards for enterprise, initiative and merit on the one hand, and the operation of the price mechanism on the other.

Democratic governance probably assures better long-term stability for India than what China can expect. Thus India may be better able to cope with the threat of an AIDS epidemic because an independent press and the reality check of elections will force governments to intervene early enough to stave off large-scale death. China’s closed system makes a strategy of denial easier.

But electoral calculations in India put a premium on sectarian interests and short-term political compulsions that override the long-term national interest. I strongly suspect that more Chinese than Indians would believe that their respective political leaders act in the national interest rather than for personal or partisan gain.

The volatility of democracy makes it exceedingly difficult for Indian governments to make decisions that are timely and forceful. So many different constituencies and interests must be appeased, so much time devoted to getting consensus, that what is necessary for national advancement gets whittled down to what is possible for political survival.

Meanwhile, as part of their longer-term strategic vision, Chinese leaders have been promoting English language and information technology skills, backed by the necessary telecommunications and power infrastructure. The IT sector is a super-success story in India because by its nature and speed it managed to escape government control and regulation. Yet the success may be replicated in China as a result of active government policy.

Its no longer a news and is accepted widely. One of the main reason is once a decision is made in China, it is implemented, by hook or by crook whereas that cannot be done in India. Good or bad, time will tell.

China began liberalizing 10 years earlier, that accounts for most of the difference in the stated per capita incomes . China's FDI figures are mostly double counting , banks have huge bad debts, the legal system a mystery, accounting almost incomprehensible & today they have deicided to give contracts to 3 crore government employees, firings like this in government enterprizes have huge social costs that are un-reported and a communist system is yet to reconciled with capitalizm any where for that matter. The one child per couple policy has started ageing the population. India will be young 25 years from now, so the game has just begun. The world trusts India's numbers more, that's for sure.

Heh..and we paki's are as always behind both eh ?

If you visit countries in South East Asia, you will find a number of call girls from China, similarly people in drones migrate to other countries from China. So people queing to leave the country are hardly a sign of fastest developing nation which is going to surpass US' economy in another 10 years. God knows the real figures of China, but it is sure developing faster than India, no doubts about that.

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Heh..and we paki's are as always behind both eh ?
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No Dears,

This century is India's & China,s for sure , the next yours & the Bongs in our arm pit & the next could be Africa's & whose left......

Dreamers have no limitations..... China == India yeah wait till the cows come home. LOL...!

LOL! yaar these guys Im sure also remember how China outperformed India in 1962 :cool:

Aside from the obvious factors of a 13yr head start in liberalization. Export led manufacturing lead sector and a singular purpose for growth, china has also benefitted from FDI (most of which is not from the US or Europe) but form HKand Taiwan. Inclusion of HK saw China's foreign reserves rise from $30B to $100B almost overnight.

India is talking a different path..a slower yet more cautious approach to openening up. While I would prefer the opposite, I think that the mind set there is the story of the Tortoise and the Hare. Interesingly enough, each precentage rate jump is growth requires a 5-10% jump in Industrial production. The industrial sector in INdia needs to grow at least 5% a year and become a greater part of the GDP for India to catchup.

It will happen...this is the asian century. Good for the chinese.

From an American's standpoint, I don't think it much matters which country's economic growth is faster or better. What matters is that both economies are growing and that is positive for the Chinese, positive for the Indians, positive for us and positive for the world. The better off people are economically, the more satisfied they are with their lives. The more satisfied they are, the less envious and critical they are of others. The less envious and critical they are of others, the more likely they will be to work with others rather than engage in conflict with them. The more they work together with others, the better off they get economically. What a wonderful world it could be. :)

"China is outperforming India" < that's no secret. :)

Its moronic to even compare except in population in which India will beat china hands down within next couple decades. Here is a chart of the two… the gap is growing every day…

http://www.india-watch.com/2.htm

which country you want to compare with pakistan?

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which country you want to compare with pakistan?
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US !

happy now....

so I take it pakistanis somehow get happy to say china is outperforming India. why?

and then again, look at this one word...stare at it...try and comprehend it...you rarely have experienced it ... most living chinese haven't experienced it....they long for it...you will too if you know and are honest.

we Indians have it.

F R E E D O M

and then someone talked about english as the reason for India's progress. it's a factor but not the only one. you guys had the same brit master we had. how come you missed that boat?

India missed the industrial revolution because of being made a raw material state .... we have done superb when you take that and our size into account.

china is progressing fast through total control of people and communism.

India is progressing slowly but steadily with freedom, democracy, diversity....I AM SO PROUD

BTW this in today’s NY Times. India doesn’t seem to be doing too shabby:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/08/business/worldbusiness/08CND-INDO.html

The I.M.F. is predicting that the Chinese economy will continue to grow this year at its recent rate of 7 to 8 percent annually, while the economies of Hong Kong, Korea, Singapore and Taiwan will expand between 3.5 and 6 percent a year, with Hong Kong at the lower end of the range, Mr. Dawson said. For the larger economies in southeast Asia, notably the Philippines and Indonesia, the fund sees a slight acceleration in growth to around 4 percent, while the I.M.F. anticipates growth of close to 6 percent in India, he added.

Changi gallan kitti yaar Abdali putter.. India is full of corrupt policitians like Lallu yadav who will let India grow only in population.

Re: China is outperforming India

Sab theek hai par yaar yeh chinki di aulad angrezi kab seekhenge ??

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Aside from the obvious factors of a 13yr head start in liberalization. Export led manufacturing lead sector and a singular purpose for growth, china has also benefitted from FDI (most of which is not from the US or Europe) but form HKand Taiwan. Inclusion of HK saw China's foreign reserves rise from $30B to $100B almost overnight.

India is talking a different path..a slower yet more cautious approach to openening up. While I would prefer the opposite, I think that the mind set there is the story of the Tortoise and the Hare. Interesingly enough, each precentage rate jump is growth requires a 5-10% jump in Industrial production. The industrial sector in INdia needs to grow at least 5% a year and become a greater part of the GDP for India to catchup.

It will happen...this is the asian century. Good for the chinese.
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Yaar CH, I read in one article that India is only the South and the West - these two regions accounting for almost everything India should feel proud of - economically and quality of life.. Expect smaller North Indian states of Punjab, Haryana, Himachal and Delhi - North is full of **** like UP and Bihar. East like Bengal is inspired by the great Bangladesh (which is among the world's 7 poorest nations hard competing for a place among hungry African nations) - no work and learn to take the art of laziness to great heights !!! Is that true ?? Somebody said sometimes back on TV Asia here in the US that if u take these two junk states out of India - these two alone accounting for 30% of India's population - India might be better positioned than many LAtin American countries and China included. As for Bangladesh, considering the headache they were for us, the west Pakistanis, we should patch up and air drop of tonnes of condoms to help fellas out !!