China accuses US of interfering in internal affairs

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China accuses US of interfering in internal affairs](http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/comp/articleshow?artid=25082710) The Times of India

OCTOBER 04, 2002

BEIJING: Ahead of a Sino-US summit, Beijing on Friday cautioned Washington against hampering bilateral ties by enacting new laws which violated US commitment on the sensitive issue of Taiwan.** China will never accept the US Foreign Relations Authorisation Act Fiscal Year 2003,** which contains articles violating both the three Sino-US joint communiques and the One-China policy, policies to which the US has repeatedly claimed it adheres, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Zhang Qiyue said.

Under the new US Act, recently signed into law by US President George W Bush, Washington’s de-facto embassy in Taipei can fly the American flag and the US would treat Taiwan as a major non-Nato ally. Zhang said the laws are a wanton interference in China’s internal affairs and that China will never accept them.

“China lodged serious representations on repeated occasions to the US, however, the Act was still signed into law,” she was quoted by the official Xinhua news agency said. “We are strongly dissatisfied with that,” Zhang said, ahead of the October 25 summit between Bush and his Chinese counterpart Jiang Zemin at the latter’s Crawford, Texas ranch.

Zhang said China has taken note of the remarks made by Bush during the signing to the effect that the articles in question were inappropriate, the One-China policy of the US had not changed, and that the signing of the Act did not mean that he had accepted them nor incorporated them into the country’s foreign policy.

“We hope the US means what it says and will not implement those articles so as to avoid any negative impact on China-US relations,” Zhang said. China views Taiwan as a rebel province that must be reunified with the mainland, even by force

The positioning has begun. If US attacks Iraq, China feels justified in re-uniting their Taiwanese province.

Nope. The chinese are too smart for that. A military confrontation is not what they want and is not to their benefit. Their navy is still a green water entity and can not fulfill the objectives required for an invasion and long stay. Rather it is economic ties which will get taiwan.

But the US has always interfered. When did it stop? This aint new, but it has been along time, i think a good 2 decades since some country has stated so.

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The positioning has begun. If US attacks Iraq, China feels justified in re-uniting their Taiwanese province.
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Chian has a justified a more than justified claim over Taiwan, but it is to wise a nation to adopt the war mongering tactics of the USA, and defy the world community. Look at how it waited for nearly 50 years to get Hong Kong back from the British by astute diplomacy and mutual agreement, not war. Antime after 1949 it could have just walked into Hong Kong and taken it back. Same with Macau from Portugal - done by diplomacy and mutual agreement not war.

The USA should try adopting the patience and wise diplomatic route that Great China has pursued.

Of course we complain. They have no right to do that. But that is their internal affair. You dont see us lecturing france on how they put more blacks in prision. Or not like the US where 90% of the men on death row are blacks or minorities. They violate the law, they suppress their people. But it is no worse from a democracy like the US using racist policies that smack of facism. But this is not relevant to the issue at hand, which is of the US interfering in the affairs of soverign nations. If that is the case then Pakistan or India should be allowed to interfere in the affairs of the US. But that wouldnt be accepted now would it?

Isnt Great China the only military threat left for US ? ;)

What are the real objectives behind the Bush admistration’s current policy on Iraq? from the article below “ostensibley calls for increased U.S. global domination via unprecedented military action in every corner of the planet. Possible objectives could include ‘regime change’ in China.”

Bush’s neocons have Iraq in their sights and China on their minds](http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=13886)

Is a preemptive strike against Iraq also intended as an object lesson for China? Are President Bush’s neoconservative advisors capable of devising such a lunatic-tinged scenario?

Bush’s preemptive strike security doctrine has united other nations, not in support but in opposition to cowboy adventurism. Leaders in nearly all the European countries are deeply concerned; many Americans are just beginning to wonder just how far the war on terror will take us; and China… well if you are sitting in halls of power of China, you should be watching your back. After all the neoconservatives who crafted this doctrine, and many of the pundits who support it, have historically been obsessed with China.

According to the Washington Post’s Glenn Frankel, “European officials are expressing emotions ranging from concern to alarm to anger as they contemplate the growing gap between themselves and the Bush administration”.

Back home, public opinion remains unsettled about a preemptive strike on Iraq. Most polls show that while most Americans aren’t necessarily opposed to an invasion of Iraq, a majority would prefer the United Nations’ stamp of approval.

So how does China get tangled into this foreign policy web? A recent Pentagon report to Congress claimed China was developing so-called “exotic weapons.” These weapons reported the Washington Times’ Bill Gertz, include “high-technology arms,” such as “laser weapons and radio-frequency bombs, to boost its [China’s] ability to successfully carry out warfare against the United States and other advanced military powers.”

If these reports are true, China has initiated a weapons-development program that could ultimately trigger a US preemptive strike. The Bush doctrine clearly allows preemptive strikes on hostile states and terrorist groups that are developing weapons of mass destruction. According to the Bush Doctrine, the US will never allow its military supremacy to be challenged as it was during the cold war. (For more on this, see “Battlefield exotica: Pre-emptive strikes, ‘exotic’ weapons, Iraq and China”)

Bush’s security doctrine to guarantee uncontested American hegemony in the twenty-first century has been brewing for quite some time in the think tanks of the neoconservative brotherhood. And most of these theoreticians have focused on the “China question”. However, a dry run in Iraq could prove a solid testing ground for America’s own “exotic weapons.” This is the real deal folks… not some Dr. Strangelove fantasy.

China on their minds
During a panel called “Anticipating Today the Essential Capabilities for Tomorrow,” at the 1999 Fletcher Conference, Dr. Ashton B. Carter pointed out that China was one of the “five A-list problems that… would largely determine our future.”

He dubbed it “Thucydides’ China,” commenting “Remember, Thucydides attributed the cause of the Peloponnesian War not to a power imbalance, but to a dynamic situation when one nation’s rising power caused anxiety in the other. And specifically, he had this famous line that what caused the war was the rise of Athenian power, and not just that but the fear that rising power inspired in Sparta. And if you substitute China for Athens and us and our Pacific allies for Sparta, that’s the Thucydides’ formula.”

Taking A-list challenges seriously, Dr. Carter said, leads to “… [an] overall defense program that reflected the imperatives of prevention and preparation. Those preventive programs we collectively named ‘Preventive Defense’… [which] is what you do to try to stave off threats before they turn into imminent military threats as traditionally defined. And in our view, we were and are not doing enough as a country in the preventive area.”

A recent piece by Matthew Riemer of YellowTimes.org (September 21) called attention to a 90-page September 2000 paper for Project for the New American Century. Written by Thomas Donnelly, with support from Donald Kagan and Gary Schmitt, the report is titled “Rebuilding America’s forces: Strategy, forces and resources for a new century.”

**According to Reimer, the report “ostensibly calls for increased U.S. global domination via unprecedented military action in every corner of the planet. Possible objectives could include ‘regime change’ in China.” ** Reimer quotes Donnelly from an article “The past as prologue: an imperial manual,” in Foreign Affairs: which concluded that: “the United States may find itself with little alternative to waging ‘the savage wars of peace.’”

Reimer points out that the report claimed that it was “building on the tenets laid down by Dick Cheney during his tenure as Defense Secretary during the Gulf War.” Reimer says that other contributors to the project include I. Lewis Libby, Cheney’s current vice-presidential Chief of Staff, Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Defense Secretary, and Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller) Dov Zakheim.

The Project for the New American Century was founded in 1997 as an initiative of the New Citizenship Project. The Weekly Standard’s William Kristol is chairman of the Project; Robert Kagan, Devon Gaffney Cross, Bruce P. Jackson and John R. Bolton serve as directors; and Gary Schmitt is executive director. The Project’s mission is “to promote American global leadership.”

For the neocons “American global leadership” translates into “regime change” in Iraq and anywhere else they damn well please. **They disregard the despicable record of U.S.-sponsored “regime change” in the twentieth century. Angola, Bolivia, Chile, Guatemala, Haiti, Indonesia, Iran, Laos, Nicaragua, Panama, Vietnam and Zaire/Congo have all experienced the disastrous effects of “regime change.” The inventory would include millions of dead, tortured and “disappeared,” years of economic privation and internal disorder with no regard for civil, political or human rights. **

Despite this sordid history, the U.S. expects and will probably receive the support of European nations and, ironically enough, China for a preemptive strike on Iraq. The neocons should be smiling all the way to the killing fields.

The US Hegemony.

“Hegemonic powers are like monopolistic corporations. Monopolists–and hegemons–don’t like competition, and they act strategically to prevent the emergence of rivals. The new National Security Strategy of the United States that President Bush presented to Congress last month is clear on this point, stating that the objective of American strategy is to prevent any other state from building up military capabilities in the hope of “surpassing, or even equaling, the power of the United States.” American strategy aims not only to thwart the emergence of the “usual suspects” (a rising China or a resurgent Russia), but also the rise to great power status of America’s principal Cold War allies (Western Europe and Japan). To ensure that the U.S. remains “king of the hill, top of the heap” geopolitically, the Bush National Security Strategy constitutes the U.S. as a kind of global “Department of Pre-Crime” empowered to act preemptively to cut down future rivals before they become actual ones.”

The power paradox

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...To ensure that the U.S. remains "king of the hill, top of the heap" geopolitically, the Bush National Security Strategy constitutes the U.S. as a kind of global "Department of Pre-Crime" empowered to act preemptively to cut down future rivals before they become actual ones...
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Lookslike our Indian friends will be safe. No chance of them rivaling any Super Powers :)

Having said that, is America going to take up 'gulli danda' in the near future, where they may find some competition from the Indians. This may indeed be an excuse for a pre-emptive strike on India to end their domination in the said game :)

US intefere in other nations affairs wow shock news :hehe:

US inteferes and causes problems anywhere they go period don’t belive me go ask rest of planet earth!

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Isnt Great China the only military threat left for US ? ;)
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yup

Economic threat as well?

**People’s Republic of Products **

Some security experts, business leaders and members of Congress say that an economically powerful China will become a political and military rival. It is worrisome, they say, that an authoritarian country with a history of contentious relations with the U.S. has become a key source of all kinds of manufactured goods. If a political upheaval or a diplomatic dispute interrupted those supplies, the U.S. economy would suffer. This vulnerability was underscored recently when a labor dispute shut West Coast ports, interrupting the flow of computer components, Christmas toys and other products from China.

The skeptics would like to see China’s rise slowed and its access to advanced U.S. technology limited.

“The economic growth of China is at least as potent a threat to U.S. security as the actual military power,” said June Teufel Dreyer, a China specialist at the University of Miami. “Obviously, a strong economy can field a stronger military.”

China not to renounce force against Taiwan separatists](hinduonnet.com - This website is for sale! - hinduonnet Resources and Information.) The Hindu (Indias National Paper)

Beijing, Dec. 12. (PTI): China today said it will not renounce the use of force to retake Taiwan and urged the pro-independence government in Taipei to stop “separatist” activities. “We will try our utmost to realise peaceful reunification of China. But we are not going to give up the use of military force,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman, Liu Jianchao, said.

“The most important thing is that the Taiwan authorities should give up the separatist attempts,” he said in response to a question on China’s reported missile deployments along its eastern coast facing Taiwan island.

“Any sovereign country is entitled to make military deployment on its territory,” Liu said, asserting China’s right to deploy missile batteries to foil Taiwan’s attempt to gain independence with the help of foreign forces. Liu said it is known to all that tension between the two sides across the (Taiwan) straits is due to Taiwan authorities’ “separatist activities”.

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Isnt Great China the only military threat left for US ?
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Plz stop! :rotfl"

What type of threat is this?

China's airforce, and Navy are so out classed that they dont even register yet oin the threat scale with the US, they fly F-7MP's and a few Russian jets, no match for the USAF-the best Af in the world-who fly F-14/15/16/117/22 and a host of other jets.

China's has a WMD angle, but it would sign its own death warrant if it used them against the US, its not a viable option.

China is NO threat to the US militarily for the next 30 years, this is really a joke.

mo-best, whether China is a military threat to the US or not is best left for the experts to answer.. but nobody should doubt that China does have a huge military force with some formidable fire power.

Back to the topic..

China: Taiwan `independence forces’ the problem, not mainland missiles](http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2002/12/10/international0632EST0471.DTL) Associated Press Dec 10, 02

**China asserted its right to “military deployment in its own territory” on Tuesday, insisting that problems between Taiwan and the mainland are caused not by Beijing’s missile deployments but by independence advocates on the island. **

Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao was responding to a report that President Jiang Zemin, meeting President Bush in Texas in October, suggested China could link its deployment of short-range missiles along its coast facing Taiwan to American arms sales to the island’s military. The United States wants the missiles pulled back, and China wants the arms sales halted.

The report, published Tuesday in The Washington Post, quoted an unidentified senior Chinese military official as saying Jiang’s offer “created new space for cooperation” between Beijing and Washington. But it said the U.S. response was lukewarm. “There is no damage done to the Taiwan people by missile deployment,” Liu said at a regular briefing, answering a Taiwanese reporter’s question. “The Chinese side has the right to military deployment in its own territory. What we need to fend off is Taiwan’s independence forces.”

China and Taiwan split amid civil war in 1949. Taiwan operates as a sovereign nation even as Beijing claims it as part of China. While the Beijing leadership says it wants to take Taiwan peacefully, it refuses to renounce force.

China has capability to destroy USA several times over therefore it is a threat!

Yes America has superior navy or air force, so What they have to get those navy and air force close enough and thats where the advantage lies with china!

Missle technology is cheaper than any navy or air force and china has plenty of those too :2guns:

China has 22 ICBM’s that may reach the USA. We have a few thousand that will reach China. As to our air force reaching China no problem going anyplace in the world just as was done in the Afghan games and first Gulf Target practice.

Ex, sorry man, this AK47 has no knowledge of military power balance between the US-anyone, he thinks the US is some weak power which will fold to Islamic extremism, as a moderate muslim, I express my deepest support for the US led war on fanaticism and say that we, the ummah, are the ultimate benifactors of such a war.

I do not unilaterally support the US position on issues, and I oppose a war in Iraq on humanitarian grounds, but there is only 1 power...

China is a economic giant, but comparative to the US, its a bubble gum military.

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China is a economic giant, but comparative to the US, its a bubble gum military.
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Haha can you destable this with some facts?! This statement is pure invention!

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Plz stop! :rotfl"

What type of threat is this?

China's airforce, and Navy are so out classed that they dont even register yet oin the threat scale with the US, they fly F-7MP's and a few Russian jets, no match for the USAF-the best Af in the world-who fly F-14/15/16/117/22 and a host of other jets.

China's has a WMD angle, but it would sign its own death warrant if it used them against the US, its not a viable option.

China is NO threat to the US militarily for the next 30 years, this is really a joke.
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Thats why your BUDDY Bush hops from one earth part to another and wants to achieve cooperation even with one of the Axis of the EVIL like Iran! Not to forget CHINA! A communist state!