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Originally posted by Taj2001:
Tell India to stop buying weapons first.
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Taj, Read the mesg - I am telling about both the countries.
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Originally posted by Asif_k:
** The Point I am trying to make is Nukes aren't going to help, Instead of spending the money to buy arms and make nukes we should spend that on development of cour countries India, Pakistan both.
About China being close to you, It is really good but have you noticed one thing, They never interfere anywere in the world, how many times have they supported Pakistan on Kashmir openly ? China has been quietly building itself into a superpower (already did) and economic power. What have we done in last 50 years apart for fighting 4 wars ? Also remember that china has more disputes than us - they have disputes with Taiwan,Tibet,Japan, Russia, South Korea - But look at them how they are not letting those things affect their country. Did you know that despite disputes China and Japan have good economic ties.
And about the closeness with the Saudis - What good has come out of it - apart fro getting millions for Madarsas. **
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I agree with you but China would not be here without a strong defence. And for a strong defence you need strong economy and for a strong economy you need a strong defence.
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Originally posted by Abdali:
** I agree with you but China would not be here without a strong defence. And for a strong defence you need strong economy and for a strong economy you need a strong defence.
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Abdali - What about Japan, Germany ? They have strong defence too - Remember they also staretd almost same time we got our freedom. Germany had its own problems untill the Merger, Japan lacks resourses unlike us. Still they are economic super powers
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Originally posted by Asif_k:
** Abdali - What about Japan, Germany ? They have strong defence too - Remember they also staretd almost same time we got our freedom. Germany had its own problems untill the Merger, Japan lacks resourses unlike us. Still they are economic super powers
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Unlike Germany and Japan we don't enjoy the protection of US nuclear umbrella. In 1998 slick wily was calling NS 10 times a day trying to persuade lohar not to go nuclear. Nawaz was right to ask for nuclear protection like Germany and Japan which US rejected. So then the mountains moved at Chagai.
I agree
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.. they have exploited us for a long time now.. as an old joke goes, even if they abuse us, we’d be standing attention with respect cuz ‘tilavat hoa rahee hay’.
Let’s look out for ourselves for a change. Maybe Russia isn’t that bad a country afterall.. let’s get rid of Uncle Sam’s debt and damaging ‘friendship’.
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Originally posted by Abdali:
** Unlike Germany and Japan we don't enjoy the protection of US nuclear umbrella. In 1998 slick wily was calling NS 10 times a day trying to persuade lohar not to go nuclear. Nawaz was right to ask for nuclear protection like Germany and Japan which US rejected. So then the mountains moved at Chagai.
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Dont you get it ? 'Buddha Smiled' & 'Mountains Moved' are political gimmicks of Stoopid Indian & Pakistani Politicians to remain in Power. Protection ?? From whom ?? India ? Didn't you know that India had Nukes since 1974. So for 14 years you didn't fear nuclear attack and suddenly after stoopid Indian Politicians tested it again - Nawaz Sharif proved he was far more Stoopid than Indian Politicians. He missed that golden chance to prove to the world that It is India which is creating tention in the region and not Pakistan.
Tell me One good thing that Nuclear Testing has done to India & Pakistan.
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Originally posted by Asif_k:
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Dont you get it ? 'Buddha Smiled' & 'Mountains Moved' are political gimmicks of Stoopid Indian & Pakistani Politicians to remain in Power. Protection ?? From whom ?? India ? Didn't you know that India had Nukes since 1974. So for 14 years you didn't fear nuclear attack and suddenly after stoopid Indian Politicians tested it again - Nawaz Sharif proved he was far more Stoopid than Indian Politicians. He missed that golden chance to prove to the world that It is India which is creating tention in the region and not Pakistan.
Tell me One good thing that Nuclear Testing has done to India & Pakistan.**
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hahahahaha India had nukes since 74, who told you that. Seems like you don't know what are you talking about. Their bhudah was less then 2KT but thats beside the point now.
If we'd to follow your model there be no nukes all the way to US and unfortunately its not going to happen. In the context of sub-continent as long as we have rogue and terrorist states like India nukes will go from strength to strength.
Lets calm down.
Nuclear proliferation is now fact in India and Pakistan. Both countries must gain financially from this, lets not forget like it or not Pakistan and India are part of an elite club now, two of only 7 delared nuclear states.
The next step for both countries should be to increase scientific development and harness this power in order to alleviate their crippling dependance on imported energy.
Or alternatively nuke each other back to the stone age.
Limited choices.....but nice to have them.
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Originally posted by Thap:
**Lets calm down.
Nuclear proliferation is now fact in India and Pakistan. Both countries must gain financially from this, lets not forget like it or not Pakistan and India are part of an elite club now, two of only 7 delared nuclear states.
The next step for both countries should be to increase scientific development and harness this power in order to alleviate their crippling dependance on imported energy.
Or alternatively nuke each other back to the stone age.
Limited choices.....but nice to have them.**
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Its a weapon of peace so far its done its job. We must now concentrate on reactors and sell this technology.
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Originally posted by Abdali:
** hahahahaha India had nukes since 74, who told you that. Seems like you don't know what are you talking about. Their bhudah was less then 2KT but thats beside the point now.
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Looks like someone has a problem with facts - Do we need an approval from Pakistan on that ?? I am not talking about the Fused Chinese Bulbs of chhagai, but real nukes.
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If we'd to follow your model there be no nukes all the way to US and unfortunately its not going to happen. In the context of sub-continent as long as we have rogue and terrorist states like India nukes will go from strength to strength.**
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What to say of this - This world is Full of educated M****s. No matter how much you try, they have only one rhetoric - That is of Hatred.
Quick reality Check on Nuclear Capability :- http://www.nci.org/i/ip-faq.htm
Ab aapko English samajh me na aaye to isme hamari koi khata nahin sarkar
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Originally posted by Thap:
**Nuclear proliferation is now fact in India and Pakistan. Both countries must gain financially from this, lets not forget like it or not Pakistan and India are part of an elite club now, two of only 7 delared nuclear states.
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Elite Club ? My Foot !! People are dying of hunger, Dont have place to live, half of the population is illitrate and you call this an Elite Club.
Typical Indian-Pakistani Attitude !! Pat yourself cos now you have Nukes. Who cares about those who were deprived of Food, Education, shelter to make these Hinud/Islamic Bombs which is of no other use but to play with the emotions of millions to remain on the throne of Delhi/Islamabad.
shame on US !!!!!
And you expect us to believe just because India tested a dud it also has the bomb.
I can also provide you sources where smiling bhuddas yield was 2KT. Testing a device and a deliverable bomb are tow different things.
Even today experts question both Indian pakistani delivery system. Perhaps you would want to find out why US and Russia conducted 3000 nuclear tests.
And further you want to gauge Indian technical ability do some reading on ARjun a 25 year old projects with billions down the drain all with imported hardware.
Read following Articles by two Sane minds one from Pakistan the other from India
http://www.wagingpeace.org/asia/nukefears.html
http://past.thenation.com/issue/980928/0928AROY.HTM
The articles are true in the ideal world but do you think it will work in the real world?
SO if Pak says we get rid of our weapons do you think India will of couse no. If Chinese get rid of their weapons do you think US will of course no they are the ones who started this. So my frined weather you like it or not weapons are here to stay and there is nothing any one can do about it.
Read the rest of my post before faoming at the mouth pai jee
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I said that they can use it to their advantage to alleviate energy import’s…and as Abdali pointed out building and exporting nuclear energy technology is very lucrative.
So think before you peace monger…the world is shades of grey my freind.
Easy fella, the bombs are here to stay and so is the technology that supports them…this is a good thing…the future will be bright mashallah. Western propaganda on the dangers of an Islamic bomb have over run your mind.
Wipe your mouth and look into nuclear technology…it’s not as simple as a bomb or two…it involves a whole infrastructure of technology. Yes people are starving in India…and perhaps in Pakistan too. But not because of nuclear technology.
More to do with sanctions and crippling interest on debt and trade restrictions imposed on both countries since 1947.
[This message has been edited by Thap (edited November 17, 2001).]
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Originally posted by Abdali:
** The articles are true in the ideal world but do you think it will work in the real world?
SO if Pak says we get rid of our weapons do you think India will of couse no. If Chinese get rid of their weapons do you think US will of course no they are the ones who started this. So my frined weather you like it or not weapons are here to stay and there is nothing any one can do about it.**
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Which world you live in Abdali Saheb ? The other day Bush/Putin decided to reduce their N-Arms. China has already signed the CTBT. I agree it is not so simple for India-Pakistan with what has been going between these two countris. But Has anyone ever tried it ?
You need to wake up and smell the coffee. Reduction of obsolete and at the same time modernization is deception all the way. Both sides still maintain an arsenal to wipe out each other and will continue to do so.. If it was that perfect why reduce why not get rid of them altogether. Oh BTW US has refused to sign the Test ban treaty.
As Thap said they are here to stay …PEROID…
FYI: US and Russia both are now wroking on a super bomb…And Pak already made an offer of nuclear free South Asia which India rejected. http://paknews.com/art1jun-07.html
[This message has been edited by Abdali (edited November 17, 2001).]
Is that the best you could find on Pakistan’s Nuclear Policy - Well, here is one by the Then PM Nawaz Sharif http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/monitoring/newsid_102000/102445.stm
Show me one statement from Indian Leaders which says that India’s N-Bomb is for Pakistan (your leaders openly say that). Also - India has a No-first-Use policy as opposite to Pakistan which says it wont hesitate from using it.
My friends, Instead of blaming each other, lets think for a moment that it is not doing good to anyone. Also about the US-RUSSIA-SUPER BOMB News - Where did you hear it ?? lol..It isn’t surprising at all to hear such information from you. Hahahaha.
And about what Thap is Saying - too bad for him - They are not hear to stay - they are going to go - Sooner or later. As I say - Hum bhi honge - Aap bhi Honge - Duniya bhi hogi - Nuclear Free or Thap saheb bhi honge
How very nice no first use policy why have it in the first place. BTW Pak went one step further no war… any ideas on that.
US has already rejected CTBT perhaps thats another step towards your dream world, care to shed some light why US rejected CTBT.
And sorry to burst your bubble Paks nuclear wepapons are India specific only with a reach all the way to Banglore. Its a reality of life and live with it.