China accelerates arms sale to Pak after 911

source: http://www.afpc.org

China’s arms supplies to Pakistan

October 26: Since mid-September Beijing has supplied Pakistan with advanced
weapons including anti-air missiles, communications facilities, and tanks in
order to deal with the threat of war, the Hong Kong Sing Tao Jih Pao
reports. Among the weapons delivered, China provided the Pakistani army with
the LY-60N ground-to-air missile, a navy-based medium-to-low range,
all-weather missile system. It is used primarily to intercept up to 40
military aircraft and missiles flying at medium-to-low range. The system
uses a semi-automatic consecutive wave-induced guidance system, and has
strong fighting, interception and disruption capability. China has also
offered Pakistan ground-to-air missiles which could be used by the army. The
two types of missiles are reported to be the most advanced air defense
missiles in China. [Editor: The “war threat” is focused on India and efforts
by any nation that would target Pakistan’s nuclear weapons systems.]

China is Pakistan's closest friend. They have been for quite some time.Regardless of how long the honeymoon with the americans lasts and how much we get out of it, Pakistan knows that their true friends are China, Saudi Arabia and to a lesser extent Turkey.

Good to see Pakistan's military relationship with the Chinese expanding all the time.

Long live Great China.

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Listen up Yos, Its because of people like you South Asia is giving hard earned money of its people to these countries. Do you think there will be another war ?

So much for Pakistan’s friendship with US or China - How many times they have come to Help Pakistan when it actually needed them.

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PS :- I am an Indian but I am against war.

Exactly the reason we need wespons, can’t trust no one. Long live Ghauris and Ghaznvis and Abdalis and Tipus and Haiders, Al-Zarars and AL-Khalids.

Hum. I am never in favour of more arms! Which ever side gets 'em.

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Originally posted by ahmadjee:
*Hum. I am never in favour of more arms! Which ever side gets 'em. *
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Agreed, unless the balanced is disturbed.

What Balance are you talking about ? You think by buying arms there will be a Balance ? What if Stupid Politicans of India also decide to buy arms ? Will Pakistan buy more arms ? OK how about this - Let both the countries buy arms from US/Russia/China untill they become bankrupt and then take Loan from these same countries to feed their people (or for that matter Buy more arms).

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Yep I hear you the stupid Indian politicians went for nukes and walla now we have em too.

Yep I hear you the stupid Indian politicians went for nukes and walla now we have em too.<<

yep and this forced Pakistan to make its nuke from scratch and test it, all in less than a week. very bad of india.

LONG LIVE GREAT CHINA!!!


Ours is not to reason why;
Ours is but to do and die

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Originally posted by Abdali:
** Yep I hear you the stupid Indian politicians went for nukes and walla now we have em too.**
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Yeah - and after that Pakistan was put under economic & military sanctions (India was already there since 1974 after Pokhran) due to furthur stoopidity of its Political Leaders. what happened after Pakistan developed Nuclear weapons ? Did we have a war ? No. Are we going to have a Nuke war ? No. So what are these nukes to doing, Just rusting in some cave in Chhagai or Pokhran. Who suffered ? Millions of poor People, who were deprived of Basic things in their lives like Food, Education, health care etc. It doesn't matter to us , who are sitting pretty in Big Houses, driving Fancy cars, but who cares about the poor lets continue to defend our govts for developing Nukes Buying weapons - Let millions die from Hunger.

[This message has been edited by Asif_k (edited November 15, 2001).]

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Originally posted by CM:
**LONG LIVE GREAT CHINA!!!

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US/China will continue to live long, If we continue to ignore our people and spend our money in buying their arms.

this is a good article about nukes pose to the world.
Tuesday November 13, 2001-- Sha'baan 26,1422 A.H

I Hassan
Banish the bomb

The writer is a former broadcaster, commentator, foreign correspondent and a freelance columnist

Two recent statements about Pakistan's nuclear capability or capacity do not bear scrutiny. The first one was made by General Musharraf during a press interview. He stated that Pakistan's nuclear arsenal was in safe hands and that it was the cornerstone of the country's defence. The second was by a government spokesman (no doubt emanating from the first source) that Pakistan's nuclear armaments were so secretly stowed that nobody knew where they were and nobody could ever know.

For these statements to be flowing out with such rapidity, there must be a good reason. That reason became obvious when a few days ago President Bush issued a warning that terrorists were likely to get hold of either nuclear devices or obtain the means to make their own nuclear bomb. A suggestion was made that terrorists would or could steal nuclear material. Both General Musharraf and the government spokesman were in fact reassuring President Bush that this country was out of bounds to nuclear thieves.

Now, I shall take up the General's declaration. He as a soldier should know better than the mullahs who day in and day out mouth the same tune that the nuclear bomb is the best defence we have. The general should know that it is the worst possible defence, for defence it is not. The possession of the bomb is the worst possible threat of offence. For a small country to possess one is to do itself the worst possible disservice. First of all it must be reiterated what a nuclear bomb is. In spite of the fact that our generals think that it is an extremely loud bang, they along with the mullahs do nor know that three or four strategically placed bombs on Pakistan will put paid to the country. It will be annihilated. Everything will cease to function.

If Mangla and Tarbela dams are breeched billions of gallons of radioactive water will sweep down the country. Thereafter there will be nothing to eat for those who may have survived extinction. They would have hardly any water to drink. In fact they would wish that they had died with the first blast. And if our valiant soldiers think that they will be sitting pretty in their bunkers, safe and alive, then they had better start studying the after effects of a bomb explosion. They too would wish that they were dead if they survived at all.

All this will happen or can happen, by over touting the bomb. The attacker who could be the one with enormous depth which this country does not have, in order to avoid being hit by a nuke would pre-emptively lodge the first two or three strategic bombs. That would make it impossible for Pakistan to retaliate. If on the other hand Pakistan did not have the blessed bomb, then the opponent may not want to use his bomb. There would appear to be no need. The best defence for Pakistan is to renounce the bomb altogether, as indeed it is for the whole world. I shall revert to this later.

For the second spokesman of the government to declare that nobody knows where Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is stored or located is poppycock. It is an axiom that for a secret to be maintained, only one person must be in possession of it. The moment a second person knows the chances of a leak increase. With a secret like the nuclear arsenals, hundreds of persons are in the know. Those whose business it is to find out will find out. After all when the first nuclear bomb was being developed in the 1940s, it was the topmost secret of the world. It was code named Project Manhattan. Despite all efforts to maintain this secret, the Germans knew and they were racing to come out with a bomb before the Americans could. The Germans lost the race and consequently the war.

Now when President Bush says that terrorists can steal the bomb or the enriched uranium or plutonium to make it, he may not have been hinting at Pakistan but the latter felt bound to assert that Pakistan's nukes were safe. The greatest source for obtaining either the bomb or the material to make it is either Russia or the US itself. They between themselves have 98% the material or bombs. It is no longer unthinkable that somebody should smuggle a nuke into New York and blow it up. After the demolition of the twin towers of the WTO, NY, nothing is too outlandish and unthinkable. A bomb can be smuggled into New York in a container. Thousands of containers are landed in that city. It is impossible for anyone to check the contents of every container before despatch or after receipt.

The remedy therefore is for all nuke possessing nations to dispose of their bombs and their bomb making material. For this purpose both Russia and the US are well suited to lead and work toward arriving at a treaty or protocol to ban the nuke. After all after World War I, poison gas was banned by a Geneva Convention. To this day that agreement has held. And poison gas was not half as horrific as a nuke.

Tony Blair, the super salesman who is going around frantically trying to sell refrigerators to Eskimos, as it were, could employ his considerable talent in the pursuit of the abolition of the bomb. After all, in the weeks since Sept 11, Mr Blair has paid visits to Berlin, Paris, New York, Washington, Brussels, Moscow, Islamabad, Delhi, Riyadh, Amman and Tel Aviv. And now he is off to Washington on the Concorde. Never in the days of yore did a British Prime Minister ever leave his proverbial imperial throne, except at the time of Munich in 1939 when Mr Chamberlain went to meet Hitler. Now the monarch sits in Washington. Once the bomb is banned altogether and disposed off by everyone, that will be the time to breathe easily and relax.


The News International, Pakistan

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Originally posted by Asif_k:
** what happened after Pakistan developed Nuclear weapons ? Did we have a war ? No. Are we going to have a Nuke war ? No.
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Exactly the reason India will never dare attack. The magic word is "NUKES"

Please read more of JDW.

abdali it is always pakistan attacked india.
even if you put a indian in charge of pakistan they would not hurt pakistan
as your leaders.

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Originally posted by rvikz:
abdali it is always pakistan attacked india.
even if you put a indian in charge of pakistan they would not hurt pakistan
as your leaders.

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And you expect us to believe that.

How many times has Russia come to Indias aid? Dig up the history books.

The point I was trying to make was that Pakistan’s friendship with China and Saudi Arabia in particular has been much stronger than the USA. At this point of time, the US is once again giving Pakistan priority in this part of the world but we are realistic enough to understand the way americans operate.Once their objective is reached,then they will start looking around to see what their future interests in this part of the world are and they may or may not include Pakistan.That is why no one considers america a true friend.Hell,even the poms probably hate the americans deep inside but would rather bend over backwards to keep on their good side.

China has always been relatively closer to Pakistan - mainly due to old ties - but also due to our common interests in our region. We would rely more on them that we would on the US or anyone else.

Thats not to say they would jump off a cliff with us - but then nobody would do that for anybody. You have to be realistic.

Tell India to stop buying weapons first.

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Originally posted by Yasir -:
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How many times has Russia come to Indias aid? Dig up the history books.

The point I was trying to make was that Pakistan's friendship with China and Saudi Arabia in particular has been much stronger than the USA. At this point of time, the US is once again giving Pakistan priority in this part of the world but we are realistic enough to understand the way americans operate.Once their objective is reached,then they will start looking around to see what their future interests in this part of the world are and they may or may not include Pakistan.That is why no one considers america a true friend.Hell,even the poms probably hate the americans deep inside but would rather bend over backwards to keep on their good side.

China has always been relatively closer to Pakistan - mainly due to old ties - but also due to our common interests in our region. We would rely more on them that we would on the US or anyone else.

Thats not to say they would jump off a cliff with us - but then nobody would do that for anybody. You have to be realistic.

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The Point I am trying to make is Nukes aren't going to help, Instead of spending the money to buy arms and make nukes we should spend that on development of cour countries India, Pakistan both.

About China being close to you, It is really good but have you noticed one thing, They never interfere anywere in the world, how many times have they supported Pakistan on Kashmir openly ? China has been quietly building itself into a superpower (already did) and economic power. What have we done in last 50 years apart for fighting 4 wars ? Also remember that china has more disputes than us - they have disputes with Taiwan,Tibet,Japan, Russia, South Korea - But look at them how they are not letting those things affect their country. Did you know that despite disputes China and Japan have good economic ties.
And about the closeness with the Saudis - What good has come out of it - apart fro getting millions for Madarsas.