Re: It's not just Sunnis..
They should atleast keep a minimum age to do such acts.
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this is just unbelievable. I am staunchly against these practices and I am glad to see that the top cleric in lebanon is against it as well. Hopefully more shiite clerics would condemn and forbid this practice
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yeah this stuff isnt good. and it happens despite most of the clerics being opposed to it.
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I agree to your posts, but don't believe in the first statement u made. Matam certainly needs to stop.
Re: It's not just Sunnis..
no scholer would allow parents to cut their children. if you want to do zanjeer zani urself then fine but don't force it on ur children. there are ignorant people in every religion.
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Such a shame for Muslims...Maybe we should change religions or maybe change our religion to better appeal to the non-Muslims...I was never one for 5 times prayers anyway...It's such a turn off for non-Muslims...
PA, can you make a list of a few things you think the non-Muslims don't like about Islam and Muslims? Let's make Islam more appealing by discarding what they don't like...
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PA, can you make a list of a few things you think the non-Muslims don't like about Islam and Muslims? Let's make Islam more appealing by discarding what they don't like...
Exactly, now the Islam is come across to please the non-muslims, we are ashamed of ourselves.
Re: It's not just Sunnis..
^ PA is not accusing sunnis of doing matam. Read the post carefully please. A lot of the accused and/or convicted terrorists, suicide bombers etc around the world are turning out to be sunnis. They are bringing a bad name to Islam in their own way.
Similarly this sect of shias who do matam (im guessing not all shias do this) are bringing a bad name to Islam as well.
Its these degenerate things that a select few from both sects (sunnis and shias) do that tarnish the image of Islam. There is no mention of trying to please the west. *The point here is not that we're not pleasing the west enough, but rather we're turning off potentially thousands of people (both from the east and west) who would have otherwise considering returning to Islam. *
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Children should be spared from this. Totally disagree with the practise of 'such' shias. It should be remembered that 'Mataam' is not farz. A 'mataami' shia is as good a shia who refrains from it. that all
Re: It's not just Sunnis..
Similarly this sect of shias who do matam (im guessing not all shias do this) are bringing a bad name to Islam as well.
Its these degenerate things that a select few from both sects (sunnis and shias) do that tarnish the image of Islam. There is no mention of trying to please the west. *The point here is not that we're not pleasing the west enough, but rather we're turning off potentially thousands of people (both from the east and west) who would have otherwise considering returning to Islam. *
Agreed brother probably, this is were the west is dis uniting us. In lebanon in the recent war, they won because the shias and the sunnis were united. By playing with words, which the goras do perfectly and trapping us with such words we will go no where.
And the matam, stuff is nothing new to the Muslims around the world and the splitting of skin of the children is nothing new too, but the way its portrayed by the west is as if the Muslims are learing all this things now.
Well, we h ave to understand over so many years since media is so important in our lives the day of Ashoora was not known at all but the way its marketed and shown do you feel is it good news for us,no way with such a solemn occassion what the west is portraying is different.
Well the sunnis bringing bad name, is another joke which the west is trapped us leave alone sunnis, not enought they created a rift between the shias and the sunnis.
But amongst sunnis they call out names such as wahabi, tableegh jamaat. Well if something happens in the west and there is a psycho killer have you ever seen the headlines " A christian kills 12". But no we people dont ponder over all these things we are more micro oriented, rather than macro oriented.
Well this is what i want to convey to the thread starter, by getting all these threads we falling into the ditch but Allaah knows the best. I agree, i havent read the link completely its my mistake but my drift is aforementioned.
Re: Children's foreheads slashed in Muslim saint's name
I have no problem if the matam is done in the name of Shiaism and not in the name of Islam, dont make Islam look bad.
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This is sense.
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WoW, In your earlier posts how many times did you declare that Shias are not Muslims. If they do Matam then what is your problem. The religion you follow declares everyone Kaffir but Wahabi/Salfi. How Islam become bad with this kind of act?
Dude stop first suicide booming & stop killing innocent people we injured ourselves not innocent citizen of any country It is very true that our Matam, processions are excellent examples of peace, discipline however it disturb only great great grandsons of Yazid across the globe because their loyalties & love still with their great great grand father Yazid and his companions.
Re: It’s not just Sunnis..
yes.. equate slashing children’s head with five time prayers.. they’re the same.. 
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I echo PA's sentiments
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Well i support none(shias or sunnis), coz none of this mean anyting to Islam but only division.
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I think we all agree that children should not be forced (either physically or emotionally) to injure themselves. Whats the age at which they can decide for themselves and what if they really want to participate in these rituals should be a decision for the parents/guardians and, may be, the community.
There are many forms of symbolic rituals in all religious faiths and cultures. Be it horse processions for shias, doing minnat at Daata Darbaar, running between Safa-Marwa during Hajj, crossing yourself on the chest for the christians, or whatever. Hinduism is also full of symbolic rituals. I assume Jewish traditions also have many symbolic rituals. I think as a species humans crave symbolism. And before we start dissing anyone else's or poke fun at them or their rituals, the least we can do is try to honestly understand the background.
When it comes to religious symbolism, its a give-and-take. You can only expect to receive respect for your own religious beliefs and rituals if you are willing to give the same to others.
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I think we all agree that children should not be forced (either physically or emotionally) to injure themselves. Whats the age at which they can decide for themselves and what if they really want to participate in these rituals should be a decision for the parents/guardians and, may be, the community.
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Fasial shahib it is your misunderstanding if you think someone (parents or guardian) force children to do azadari. I am sure for one thing in our religion (Fiqh e Jafferia) we strickly follow “ La Aikrah fi Din’ there is no ‘Jaber’ forcefulness in religion. Religion should be free.
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Not all do, but a very few do, as is noted in teh story. I think it would be wrong to consider this as a norm among all shias, but at the same time we can not say it does not happen, even if it is a tiny minority that does it. it could be like a needle in a haystack, but its there.