Chicago Muslim Orgs. advocating careers as a Police Officer

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As Salaamu Alaikum:

  As you may know, our Council is privileged to have a close and productive relationship with the Chicago Police Department (CPD) and particularly the office of Supt. Philip Cline.  One aspect of our advocacy with Supt. Cline and the Mayor's Office on issues of particular concern to the Muslim community has been a call for increased Muslim presence in the CPD.  Supt. Cline has been very supportive and receptive to our call; the concern is having enough officers and new applicants from our community for the CPD. In that regard, we draw your attention to the upcoming Police Officer Exam on Nov. 20, 2004 that initiates the CPD recruitment process.  [see details included below; also check out the CPD website: www.cityofchicago.org/police ]

  I encourage our Muslim brothers and sisters residing in Chicago to seriously consider a career with the CPD. The current troubling times -  we face difficulties with law enforcement initiatives disproportionately argeting Muslim/Arab Americans and other minorities - cry out for our active involvement in this area as productive citizens of Chicago and America. Our increasing presence in law enforcement cadres will help dispel stereotypes and ensure increasingly fair and balanced perspectives and interaction on our behalf. The benefits are not bad either - a CPD career offers stability, attractive compensation and superb benefits, including a starting salary of $36,984, increasing to $47,808 after one year, and $50,538 after 18 months.

  Please check out the information below and consider applying yourself and/or encouraging others from the community to do so. We also request that CIOGC leaders, HR representatives, and Chicago area Islamic centers and institutions post and publicize this message as widely as possible. Note that the deadline for filing applications in person is October 9, 2004. Do notify the Council if you are applying so we may stay informed and assist to the extent possible.

 Fi AmaanAllah

GREETINGS OF PEACE FROM:
Kareem M. Irfan
Chairman
Council Of Islamic Organizations Of Greater Chicago (www.CIOGC.org)

A federation of Islamic institutions serving over 400,000 Chicago-area Muslim Americans

330 E. Roosevelt, G5,
Lombard, IL 60148;
P: 630.629.7490;
F: 630.629.7492;
E: [email protected]

For details, please check out the CPD website: City of Chicago :: Police

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since we have so many Muslims in the US itll be good if we can become a full fledged part of the system, make our voice heard and strive for our rights thru legal means…if i remember correctly, didnt a young Pakistani guy who was in the NYPD lose his life in the line of duty trying to protect civilians on 9/11

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..... I encourage our Muslim brothers and sisters residing in Chicago to seriously consider a career with the CPD. ....
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It is about American citizens joining police. Nothing Muslim abot a career with CPD. I don't have much hope from Arabs being good policemen.

However Pakistanis and Bharatis from Punjab and Pakistanis from frontier have been working in police and army since 1840s. They have proven themselves to be disciplined and hence dependable. I think they should join CPD to protect America (and not some specific religion or ethnicity).

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Yeah, this is good thing for our community. There are more Arabs in the FBI and the CIA then other ethnic people.

Number of Indians in the police force are a bit more compared to Muslims. More of the Muslims in the Police forces are blacks. I have a Northern Pakistani (Kashmiri) friend who is was police officer in my city and now works in Houston.

We need, specifically, Muslims in the police forces since without regard the backlash is against Muslims disregarding their ethnicity.

We also need to encourage our young to join in the armed forces. One of my family friend's son did a stint in the Army. I had a friend long time ago who had also joined the army. I was, myself, had joined the Air Force ROTC when family pressure got me out.

One of my sons wants to be a police office when he grows up.
Another wants to be a Navy Seal....... but the guy is a wuss.... can't take the rides at the amusement park. I keep shaming him... hope he gets the courage to defeat his fears.

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......We also need to encourage our young to join in the armed forces. .....
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Yes as West Point or Annapolis graduates. Sons of Punjab and Frontier must maintain their long running traditions of Kakool, Dera Dun, and Sandhurst.

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It is about American citizens joining police. Nothing Muslim abot a career with CPD. I don't have much hope from Arabs being good policemen.

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Stereotype!!

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Stereotype!!
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Bud! Tell that to that victims of 9/11. Majority of hijackers were Arabs living in America.

It is always easy to wave the "stereotype" flag, it is always to difficult to accept the facts.

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I don't have much hope from Arabs being good policemen.

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What about Blacks?

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Bud! Tell that to that victims of 9/11. Majority of hijackers were Arabs living in America.

It is always easy to wave the "stereotype" flag, it is always to difficult to accept the facts.
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So?! That means every Arab is a terrorist?! Cmon!

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..That means every Arab is a terrorist?! ..
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Terrorist! May be not!
Suspect! Yes!

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*Originally posted by underthedome: *
..What about Blacks?
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what about them?

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Terrorist! May be not!
Suspect! Yes!

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Gosh! I wished u been born as a pure blooded Arab, then i would have asked YOU!

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I wished u been born as a pure blooded Arab.. ...
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Were you?

p.s. I hate to make this as a petty Mulakhra. Try coming up with some good response and quit lamenting about Tribal Insane Neanderthal (TIN) cups.

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Thread topic is: ** Chicago Muslim Orgs. advocating careers as a Police Officer **

This is being advocated in a place from some of us thousands of miles away. The circumstance that have promoted this desire are very local with very historical reasoning, which again, are very local.

Based on this, I wish others would shed light on the positive side like how Muslims in their own, Western, that is, communities are taking part in the local police, fire-fighter, and other such disciplines like the country's armed forces.

The glass is also half-full and it must be appreciated for us, as ummah, to rise up. The negative talk only consumes time and emotions but doesn't lend itself to postive dialogue.

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Thread topic is: * Chicago Muslim Orgs. advocating careers as a Police Officer **

.....I wish others would shed light on the positive side like how [American-Pakistanis can take] part in the local police, fire-fighter, ....
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When did you and other American-Pakistanis in your area, hold fund-raiser for local VFW? If yes, great. If not, why not!

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When did you and other American-Pakistanis in your area, hold fund-raiser for local VFW? If yes, great. If not, why not!
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Is criticizm all you have to post?? You are a racist. Admit that!

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Antiobl: - thank you for contributing positively to the dialogue.

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Antiobl: - thank you for contributing positively to the dialogue.
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As I said, when did you and other American-Pakistanis in your area, hold fund-raiser for local VFW? If yes, great. If not, why not!

p.s. Pakistanis do need to learn American ways of volunteerism.

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9/11 has awaken the Muslims. We have realized that the decision to stay disconnected from the society to protect ourselves and our children was not a wise decision.

The real hope for us in the West is our next generation rising up that has been born here. They will still carry the baggages of their parents who for centuries have been taught to keep their heads down, go about their work, worry about the family and not pay attention to the world.

They attitude and behaviors worked in the Old world but have nearly put us in our graves in the New world. We have to started acting as Muslim like the Quran tells us. We have to start to stand up and prove our faith not by our tounges but by actions. It does not matter what the Quran says or what the Sunnah talks about. Those are nothing but words on paper and carry nothing of value unless those who believe in them put actions behind them. We, the Muslims, have for a very long time focused only on our families but never on the communities and the environment that affects our families, our kids, our friends, our neighbors.

VFW may mean something to you. You or someone you know might be a VFW. You value an organization and are questioning others of your faith have supported an organization that you do. There are organizations that I value and support none of which are VFW or VA or the United Way or many others that many others here may support. You are missing the point in focusing on one organization. Try to take a stand back and and look at the bigger picture and you'll be amazed out of your mind when you see the work going on in France, Britain, Germany, United States, Canade.......... I mean look at Canada... a Muslim is now in the Parliment (is that what they call it there?). British Muslims are a role model for the Muslims in the West. There the 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims are rising up and they are taking charge of their faith. They do not need influx of foreign influence on their faith. They are now a home-grown faith. We, American-Muslims, are atleast 50 years behind the British-Muslims. We have a lot of ground to cover.

VFW, your beloved organization, carries no voice in our community (that of mixed Muslim and non-Muslim). I seldome hear of them in the media even during these tense times. Do you contact your local media, as your mission, if you so fervently believe in them, to promote them and promote anything regarding VFW?

Before you ask me if I do something, by Sharia, you have to be doing it first. Tell us, all of us, what do you and your community do for the vetrans of foreign wars? How do your support them? Do you hold garage sales for them? Bake sales? Organize any gatherings for their benefit? Volunteer for their efforts? Donate to them?

You prove to me why you believe in them.... convince me and I'll send a donation to them. That's my promise to you as a Muslim..... not as as American_"Pakistani".... but as an American-"Muslim". I was born in Pakistan and I consider myself as a Pakistani.

For all practical purposes, my heritage doesn't walk infront of me.... my faith does.

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....VFW, your beloved organization, carries no voice in our community. I seldome hear of them in the media ....
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Ok if not VFW there must be other needy organizations in your community. Are you guys holding bake sales for Volunteer Firefighters in your area? How about cleaning up local parks?

I do want to differentiate Biddus from American-Pakistanis. Tribal upbringing of the Biddus doesn't allow them to mix with the local community activities. This is especially true for Saudis.

Pakistanis on the other hand are much more urbanized so they handle this interaction in a much better way.

No one has to dangle his "faith" in front of him. People will automatically realize your faith based on your actions.

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Yeah, this is good thing for our community. There are more Arabs in the FBI and the CIA then other ethnic people.

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Yeah but these Arabs are either Christians or Jews spying on Muslim. FBI or CIA would never hire a Muslim to spy on Muslim.