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Originally posted by sholay:
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Babar
Now that you have committed yourself into accepting Mirza as a Prophet.
Can you please explain the following:
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani had demeaning opinion about one of the great prophets, Jesus(pbuh). He called Jesus(pbuh) a liar, a foul-mouth alcoholic and a patron of prostitutes. After all this, he claimed to be Jesus Christ himself -- better than the real Jesus(pbuh). How do you reconcile this?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani had nothing good to say about the companions of the prophet Muhammad(SAW). He viewed Abu Huraira(RA) as ignorant and useless. He made insulting remarks about the family of the Prophet -- Ali(RA), his wife Fatima(RA) and their sons Hassan(RA) and Hussain(RA). Having made such remarks he compared himself to them or better. In what sense do you think he was comparable?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani claimed his miracles were superior to those of all the Prophets, including the last of the Prophets -- Muhammad(SAW). Then, he and his associated claimed he was even better than Muhammad(SAW). Do you find any basis for this?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani claimed to have been given god-like powers: Power over life and death and the ability to create at will. However, he died like a mortal should. Do you believe he was God?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani crafted a saying "Messiah will come at the end of the 14th century" and attributed this to prophet Muhammad(SAW). Attributing false statements to the Prophet(SAW) is a sure way to hell-fire. There is and has never been such a saying of the Prophet(SAW) -- this was Mirza Qadiani's own fabrication. In this light, where do you think he will end up?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was taught by human beings with names recorded in history -- Fazal ILahi, Fazal Ahmad, and Gul Ali Shah. Do you think a true prophet could be taught by human beings?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani decreed that struggle against the British Colonial Power was prohibited and obedience to British Raj was obligatory! In light of colonial history, can you think of any reason for this?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani proclaimed all humanity, except those who follow his cult, non-believers, off-springs of prostitutes, and bound for hell! Can an intelligent person be intimidated by such words?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani refused to pray for his dead son, Fazal Ahmad, because he did not believe in his father's claims. Sir Zafarullah refused to join the funeral prayers held for his employer, the father of the Nation of Pakistan. Do you think a dead son and a dead boss have no human rights?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani signed a pledge in a British ruled Indian Court of Law never to indulge in Mubahalas. Now, is Mirza Tahir Qadiani honoring his grandfather's words by doing the contrary?
You can refer to your Learned Scholars concerning the above queries, if you want.
In addition, you still haven't answered my queries regarding the False Prophecies. So can you please take the liberty of answering them as well.
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Your First Question:
"Mirza Ghulam Qadiani had demeaning opinion about one of the great prophets, Jesus(pbuh). He called Jesus(pbuh) a liar, a foul-mouth alcoholic and a patron of prostitutes. After all this, he claimed to be Jesus Christ himself -- better than the real Jesus(pbuh). How do you reconcile this?"
**My Answer:
I already have told you that Hazrat Mirza Sahib Never have written any thing against TRUE Hazrat Isa.
Who is True Hazrat Isa?
True Hazrat Isa is the one about whom we are told by Quran.
Quran says that Hazrat Isa was the slave of Allah.
Quran says that Hazrat Isa was not the son of Allah.
Quran says that Hazrat Isa is not one of three gods. etc, etc, etc.
There is another concept about Hazrat Isa available in the present books of Chriestians. This concept actually is not about Hazrat Isa. This concept is about a person whose name was JESUS. This person (Jesus) according to these books:
- Is the son of God.
- Is one of three Gods etc, etc,.
Hazrat Mirza Sahib have never written any thing against TRUE Hazrat Isa.
Yes He has written somethings against "Jesus" of chriestians AND WHATEVER HE HAS WRITTEN IS ONLY AND ONLY THE ANSWERS TO CHRIESTIANS FOR THOSE BLAMES ON HOLY PROPHET(PBUH) WHICH THEY RAISED FIRST IN THEIR LITERATURE.
Answer of second part of your first Question:
Yes because there are actually TWO Hazrat Isa's.
One was that who came in the Ummah of Hazrat Musa.
Second who came in the Ummah of Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH).
Since the Ummah of Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) is the BEST Ummah according to Quran so the MASIH of this Ummah is better than the MASIH of Ummah of Hazrat Musa.
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Your Second Question:
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani had nothing good to say about the companions of the prophet Muhammad(SAW). He viewed Abu Huraira(RA) as ignorant and useless. He made insulting remarks about the family of the Prophet -- Ali(RA), his wife Fatima(RA) and their sons Hassan(RA) and Hussain(RA). Having made such remarks he compared himself to them or better. In what sense do you think he was comparable?
**My Answer:
This your conclusion is based on the false material available in anti-ahmedia websites.
To blame some one is not difficult. You can find blames against any personality(including the most pious and perfact personality) on some websites. I never take care of such type of blames.
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Your Third Question:
"Mirza Ghulam Qadiani claimed his miracles were superior to those of all the Prophets, including the last of the Prophets -- Muhammad(SAW). Then, he and his associated claimed he was even better than Muhammad(SAW). Do you find any basis for this?"
**My Answer:
The prophethood of Mirza sahib is ONLY AND ONLY due to Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH). He is slave of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). His Miracles are not his own. His Miracles are due to Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). So these are infact the Miracles of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH).
Answer to Second part of your this Question:
This is another false blame. To know about reality you should read his original books.**
Your Next Question:
"Mirza Ghulam Qadiani claimed to have been given god-like powers: Power over life and death and the ability to create at will. However, he died like a mortal should. Do you believe he was God?"
**My Answer:
This is another false charge against Hazrat Mirza Sahib. I already have told you that you can find any type of false blames and false charges against any personality of the world in some type of Negative Literature and Negative Websites.
Mirza sahib was MAN. He is slave of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH).
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Your Next Question:
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani crafted a saying "Messiah will come at the end of the 14th century" and attributed this to prophet Muhammad(SAW). Attributing false statements to the Prophet(SAW) is a sure way to hell-fire. There is and has never been such a saying of the Prophet(SAW) -- this was Mirza Qadiani's own fabrication. In this light, where do you think he will end up?
**My Answer:
Most of the Muslim Scholars of early period had reached the conclusion that Masih shall come in 14th century and they had drawn this conclusion after careful analysis of Ahadith. So they also had attributed this fact to Prophet Muhammad(PBUH).
This is so common thing that I think you do not need any references from me. However if you ask, then I shall provide you with some such references.
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Your Next Question:
"Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was taught by human beings with names recorded in history -- Fazal ILahi, Fazal Ahmad, and Gul Ali Shah. Do you think a true prophet could be taught by human beings?"
**My Answer:
Mirza Sahib was taught only early lessons like basics of Grammer etc by some teachers.
He has not Learned about the deep facts of Quran from any person.
He himself have claimed that he was not taught about Tafseer or deep Quranic facts by any person.
Most prophets of Bani-Israel were given basic knowhow of Bible and their main duty was to decide among people according to Teachings of Bible.
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Your Next Question:
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani decreed that struggle against the British Colonial Power was prohibited and obedience to British Raj was obligatory! In light of colonial history, can you think of any reason for this?
**My Answer:
This is an important question:
Mr. Sholay;
In Pakistani Text Books of History we are not being given true knowledge of that age.
You shall not find any mention in Pakistani Text Books of History that "Arrya Samaj movement" was actually defeated by Hazrat Mirza Sahib. Muslims of that time were witness to this fact. You can find acceptance to this fact by many Muslim Scholars in the Literature of that time.
Similarly you cannot find any mention in Pakistani Textbooks of History that "Shudhi" and "Sunghston" movements were also defeated by Ahmedia Jamaat. To know about the proof to this fact, you should consult News Papers of that time.
Also you shall not find any mention in Pakistani Text Books about what was the real cause of failure of Chriestien Missionery efforts in sub-continent. Chriestiens were so confident that thay started claiming to convert most subcontinent to christienity within few period of time,
It was Hazrat Mirza Sahib who made their dreams false. Padri Abdullah Athem was died according to his foretold. Hazrat Mirza sahib gave solid arguments against chriestianity. He proved from bible that Hazrat Isa was not the son of God. He proved from bible that Jesus was not one of three gods. He proved that jesus was not alive on the heavens but was died. He even proved that which person is considered one of the gods by Chriestians was not better than himself. So Chriestians defeated and you shall not find any mention to this fact in any Pakistani Text Books of History.
If you ask then I shall give you proof of this fact also.
- You can also not find any mention in Pakistani Textbooks of History that in the age of Mirza Sahib, a Major event in the History of Relegions of subcontinent was took place. All the well known Scholars of most relegions gathered at one Forum. It was Forum of comparisons of relegions. Every Scholar was required to give answers of specified questions out of their accepted "ilhami Books".
It was a great compitition among relegions. Most well known Scholars of all religions such as Islam, Hinduism, Chriestianity etc were taking part in this compitition. Muslims also take part in this compitition. Hazrat Mirza Sahib also had send his Artical for this compitition.
And as a result of this compitition, Only and only Mirza Sahib's article was considered as the true answer to the specified questions.
It was accepted by other Muslim Scholars that if there were no Article of Hazrat Mirza Sahib, then Non-Muslims could win this compitition.
You can read News Papers of that time to know about this happening.
BUT there is no mention of this event in any Pakistani Text Book of History.
Now I come to main point:
To know about the exact situation of English Rule and war of 1957, you should not rely on Pakistani Text Books of History. They are just one sided stories.
Sir Syed Ahmed Khan has named that war as "GHADAR".
Muslim Alims aspecially Ahl-e-Hadith Alims of that time considered English Rule as the Blessing of Allah. They were also against the war of 1957.
Muslim Alims who were against Hazrat Mirza Sahib, used to complint to English Rullers that MIRZA SAHIB WAS NOT LOYAL TO ENGLISH RULE.
The English Rule in That Area of Punjab was infact a blessing of Allah to Muslims. Because before English Rule, muslims of that area were under the rule of Sikhs. And Sikhs in their period did not allow Muslims to "Azan" and even to pray etc. British removed all such conditions and therefore they were infact Blessing of Allah for those Muslims.
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Your Next Question:
"Mirza Ghulam Qadiani proclaimed all humanity, except those who follow his cult, non-believers, off-springs of prostitutes, and bound for hell! Can an intelligent person be intimidated by such words?"
**My Answer:
Mr. Sholay;
This is again a wrong blame. You just have read the half statement some where in some Negatively Approached website. I suggest you to read the full statement along with its context from original Book.
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Your Next question:
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani refused to pray for his dead son, Fazal Ahmad, because he did not believe in his father's claims. Sir Zafarullah refused to join the funeral prayers held for his employer, the father of the Nation of Pakistan. Do you think a dead son and a dead boss have no human rights?
**My Answer:
What did you people did on the occassion of Funeral of Hazrat Mirza Sahib???
Hazrat Mirza Sahib and Sir Zafferullah sahib may just have refused to pray Namaz-e-janaaza, but you people played a drama on the occassion of funeral of Hazrat Mirza Sahib.
Some Naughty persons arranged for a bed. A person laid over it acting as he would have died. Then you people arranged for a "Juloos" in Lahore with that "died body". And what shamful slogans they created that time.................
Can this type of acts justifiable to "MUSLIM" Nation??????
Mr. Sholay;
Once I offered Namaz-e-Janaza of my friend's father. and after this I was seriously condemned by my other friends who also belong to your sect.
Mr Sholay;
At first it was other Muslim Scholars who banned the Namaz-e-Janaza of Ahmedies.
So you do not have right to charge Mirza Sahib with this blame.
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Your Next Question:
"Mirza Ghulam Qadiani signed a pledge in a British ruled Indian Court of Law never to indulge in Mubahalas. Now, is Mirza Tahir Qadiani honoring his grandfather's words by doing the contrary?"
** My Answer:
His sign was not to declare FORETOLD(Prediction) of death against anyone.
He never left the right of "Mubahala". Mubahala is an effective way to show signs of Allah. It has base in Quran. So it was not left by Mirza Sahib.
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If you ask these questions from Ahmedies Scholars, then they would give you detailed answers with all the references. I am not a Scholar so I have to be brief.
For your last answer please ask again the original question.
**And I am waiting for your reply on the issue that there is example available in Quran of another Nation who also had belief that NOW NO PROPHET SHALL COME.
