change the route of the Pakistan-China Economic Corridor.

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air force is the more technical branch and less racist hence muhajirs and even bengalis were the most represented there from all branches. I don't really care for quotas in army if the army wasn't always coming to power in the past and then supporting the same corrupt politicians to rule and then handover power to them.

Btw, it was karachi that fought and had re-elections right away where your darling PTI's Arif Alvi won. Where was the lovely punjab in opening up the four constituencies where rigging took place among others in 2013? Karachi is much better than many places that keep electing noon league (will again in future) and PPP.

I could care less if you wanted PTI to become a force in karachi or not. They have to perform in KP and if they win a free and fair election in karachi AND rest of Pakistan, then so be it.

PS Going by what one wants, maybe many of us want PTIians like you to have condemned the pro-taliban stance of PTI yet nary heard a peep? What is up with that.

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True.

But it seems some are butt hurt when a legitimate issue is raised where this route was supposed to rejuvenate KP and balochistan. In fact, some of the fanboys and girls have their future staked in one of the provinces in the original route.

My only beef is if that if you can't even keep your promises, then why would BLA, BRA and especially the disaffected people that allows them to operate would give two ****s about Pakistan? I mean look at Iraq as an example where an angry sunni population ( some legitimate some illegitimate demands) allows the evil ISIS to operate when AQ was defeated by the same tribes not so many years ago.

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First you shall orrect your language , Munafqat , bongian and other cheap words for other posters is not a tradition of this forum ,
till than , no reply to your posts , you are free to talk with others in this way .

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Punjabis and Pashtuns have a long history of fighting wars and military services. They were classified as martial race by Brits and enlisted in British army by design. Even in India, Punjabis despite being the minority are pretty decently represented in Indian army. They do make fine soldiers. Plus Punjab bordering India naturally attracts a lot of locals to join the army, and same is the case with India side of the fence.

I mentioned the Muhajir representation in Air Force and Navy to highlight their contributions towards Pakistan defence. I have so many issues with Musharraf, but I never deny the fact that he was a fine solider. The dude was in SSG for goodness sake. Unfortunately, I know MQM supporter who used to sing songs about "Pakistan Army" when Mushy was in charge, and that he's gone. The mazloom muhajir mentality back and so is the hatred for "Punjabi Army". What is the BS man, seriously?

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You mean the 'burgers' of Defence and Clifton who were butt of every joke here by Karachi members here? I lost count of occasions where I was dismissed with this rhetoric that Defence and Clifton do not represent the real Karachi. A lot of traditional MQM supporters have a very particular kind of disdain for residents of posh areas. I'm pretty sure its not because they support PTI, it has to be the general class divide, and envy.

You know exactly where I stand with issue of rigging in Punjab, so don't you even try to imply that I have taken that issue lightly in any way. You may have seen enough people on this board (the ones who don't even claim to support any party) trivialising rigging and rationalising it or denying it all together in Punjab, and I am anything but one of those people. I despise their duplicity.

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They are indeed performing in KPK and their lead in LG polls proves that. My response was to general Sindhi and Muhajir voters who are quick to term PTI a disappointment just because they don't see PTI making any brouhaha on ethnic issues. Other than that, no one has stood up against Punjabi oligarchs in a such consistent and structured manner like PTI.

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Way to go with manipulation. He was anti operations, not pro Taliban. He was stuck with the whole Tony Blair and IRA kind of method to resolve the conflict. His main argument was that operation would lead to civil war, and the way events unfolded in Syria even I had this fear. But this is when I am absolutely, wholeheartedly and completely feel proud of Pakistan army for handling the situation with such remarkable efficiency. I am so glad to be proven wrong and I am willing to admit it on 100 times. It is a wonderful feeling. I have found a totally differnet type of love and respect for Pakistan army and Gen. Raheel Sharif.

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Did Britain armed forces completely withdraw from Northern Ireland while “negotiating” with IRA? Heck, I would say that it is a defeat for IRA (and ireland if they were british’s afghanistan) as Northern Ireland is still part of the union.

Imran wanted the army gone along with Frontier Corps (never said that we should retain them in FATA) and said that “tribals” would fight taliban and win. There is no police left, not that there was much anyway with FC having operational control, so it would mean Pakistan arming the tribals.

Yeah right. They really won when taliban set up shop after 2002. Not to mention the nasty habit of people turning against you tomorrow that you arm (ring a bell?) as they aren’t programmable robots.

If this isn’t elitist oxford and aitcheson thinking, then I don’t know what is which is completely divorced from reality.

If I could break it down and tell you how horrible the idea was, then I am sure educated PTIians should’ve known it as well. It is not even that as Imran also was giddy like a school girl on the “sharia law” being brought by TTP in Swat. Why can’t Pakistan fix its own goddamn laws in the first place if they are so bad?

I know the standard response is that ANP negotiated the deal, but then how can I believe that Imran won’t be corrupt when he actually becomes the PM of Pakistan? Pinky made texas style ranch house err prime minister house in her time and the tradition continues now for buying off media using state treasury even in noon league’s time. Heck as far as sharafat goes, Altaf ‘bhai’ was sharafat ka mujassma back in the day as well when he was thrown out of karachi university by jamatis in the eighties! :rotfl:

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Politician and becoming one of them is controversial so leave that a side . You are right about Altaf but when he got the support of establishment , he was changed into warrior .

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Come on, don’t bring in that whole corruption assumption. You are intelligent enough. If Imran really wanted to make money in politics, in 18 years he could’ve jumped from ministry to ministry to enjoy enough power and do enough money laundering to build his palaces and business empires. His party is in government in KPK, I’m sure if he wants to set up industries, the money and opportunities are right there. That man directly or indirectly had received offers from all major political juggernauts to join their camp. Including Ganjoo when he was PM in 1992, and before that he also had the opportunity to marry the feudal princess destined to become the PM of Pakistan. So let’s not pretend he never had the opportunity to cash his name and position to acquire maximal wealth.

I always thought Imran’s take on foreign policy was largely blown out of proportions by opposition and media camps and it played into Gen. Kiyani’s favours perfectly well as he was not keen to do operation. Imran was partially right that winning the support and trust of Tribals would ensure that militants aren’t sheltered and more people don’t join their ranks. In Gen. Kiyani’s time, a lot of work was done with tribals to get their support. This is when Pakistani army also started building a case against drone attacks which gradually started to reduce down.

Imran did take a classic Oxford elitist British colonial approach to conflict which is, if you can’t win against an armed group, negotiate, settle some conditions, take your share and leave. This is what they did in post war Turkey.

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This discussion is being changed into praising the dirtiest politician of the world , The Thug ChandaKhor

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Please continue Punjab vs rest of Pakistan discussion in this thread:

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/656247-split-discussion-punjab-vs-rest.html

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Turkey pretty much crushed any dissent with the new Atatürk state. I think that Britain has shown more tolerance with scottish referendum and perhaps even with northern Ireland? Kurds weren't even allowed their languages in school until erdogan came in power and he tried to appease them somewhat.

Perhaps you want that in Pakistan with the madarsas and wahabiism, but I have no hopes of Pakistanis uniting behind an Atatürk for better or worse.

Now, I am not saying that he is chanda khor as then I also would have abetted in his corruption, but Naivety or compromise can take you to dangerous paths. I just wanted him to take a firm stand that Pakistan respects humanity, but it won't surrender to Taliban ideology. You can be anti-drone with that stand. I fault musharraf and kiyani for not doing an operation sooner. You don't contemplate amputating you foot or hand if that means that you can live. I don't believe that they didn't want to live in this world.

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lo g bhart bhi yehi zaban bolney laga :sunnyboy:

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lying about others and getting support from urdu speakings by creating victim complex is the trade mark of MQM.

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Same for noon league (musharraf musharraf while being pet of Zia) and your kind of discriminated jamaties who are all waa waa after being kicked out of karachi as some other group mastered their ghuna gardi. Now, you only have punjab university campuses to harass but lets see which goons throw you out from there.

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so you accept you lying for MQM :hehe:

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Ap sahb woh wala bhutto guzar gaya. That type of bhutto is no more who made Islamic conference. Even Zab himself was not the same at the time of execution that bhutto whom u r mentioning.

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Look at the way Hashmi got disgraced in Punjab once the youth found out (thanks to media and PTI leadership for getting ruthlessly factual) that self proclaimed baba e jamhooriyat was a proud student in Gen. Zia's nursery. Just because he stood up against Mushy for kicking the arses of his 'leaders' so they can enjoy luxury exile in Saudi palaces, he became St. Baghi. Yeah right.

He was a good person, but his holier than thou approach could only be cashed for so long.

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PTI has the best chance in Punjab since Imran was born and bred in Lahore, but he has generally squandered his chances. I know that you will throw bricks at me for saying this :D