Change of Heart - PMLN supporting Drone Strikes?

Society Pakistan & World Affairs
1

In recent days it seems as if PMLN have become supporters of drone strikes. The recent statement of Nawaz sharif that he sincerely wants the end of drone strikes ring hollow.

A few days back some one asked Pervez Rasheed that the drones violate pakistan’s sovereignty and he replied that the terrorists violate our sovereignty too. I don’t know if PMLN still considers itself in opposition or what. If some elements are violating Pakistans sovereignty why doesn’t the government order an operation against them or catch and prosecute them? If the government is incompetent in this regard why not officially sublet Pakistans internal security to the CIA?

A defeatist argument: Do you want war with US? - thenews.com.pk

2

re: Change of Heart - PMLN supporting Drone Strikes?

Like the US and taleban will listen to the advice of information minister. :stuck_out_tongue:

Pervaiz Rashid asks US and Taliban to leave Pakistan alone

This is called political maturity these days.

3

Re: Change of Heart - PMLN supporting Drone Strikes?

waiting for PMLN’s darbari qaseeda go :chai:

4

Re: Change of Heart - PMLN supporting Drone Strikes?

^ Ek tou pehely hi se IK ke gunn gana shuru hogeya hai coz IK more hard on drones stoppage and natto supply!!
Nam nahi loon ga app hi Jasoosi kar Len (^｡^)

5

Re: Change of Heart - PMLN supporting Drone Strikes?

^ :hehe: maza nahin aa raha, he should stay with PMLN :wink:

6

جب تک غلامی نہ ہو وفاداری کا مزہ نہیں آتا.

7

Re: Change of Heart - PMLN supporting Drone Strikes?

Yousuf Raza Gillani was quoted in wikileaks with his now famous "you bomb - we condemn - we ignore" statement. Nawaz Sharif is in the exact same boat. Its not about what they are in favor of, or against. Its what they are dictated to by their US masters. With a Saudi Prince openly stating to the wall street journal that Nawaz Sharif is their agent in Pakistan, little else is left to the imagination. PML-N hasnt even had the courage to condemn, or respond to this statement.

8

Re: Change of Heart - PMLN supporting Drone Strikes?

^ within six months PMLN has completely discredited itself, I don't know how they will complete their tenure. I don't see any change in policies of the previous government and this one.

9

Re: Change of Heart - PMLN supporting Drone Strikes?

When talking about drone strikes, there are three types of people in Pakistan.

Group 1: Those who look at drones as blessing from heaven, killing enemies of Pakistan.

What type of enemies?
Enemies, who are armed to teeth, worship Shaitan, are Kharjees creating fitna and fasad all over Pakistan to fulfil their Ibleesi beliefs. These thugs have killed many army men, killed many bureaucrats, many policemen and other Pakistanis working in administration, many renowned politicians, and around 50000 innocent Pakistani peaceful civilians. These Kharjees violate sovereignty of Pakistan making fun of Pakistani laws and writ. Their Fitna and Fasad is not only limited to that, but whoever they kill, they kill brutally by cutting throat of their innocent Muslim victims sacrificing them to their God Iblis (Satan), and blow Muslim graves (something in history even kuffar have not done) so that Muslims could not find peace from them in graves too.

Group 2: Those who overtly may talk against drone strikes, but feel happy when hear drones strikes, and news that drones have killed some Kharjees, than see the faces full of Kharjee sympathisers amongst politicians and media men, fearful and disoriented when talking about drones, giving disjoined statements, and demanding without valid daleel that drones should stop so that these Kharjees can kill Pakistani Muslims without hindrance and fear.

Group 3: Those who hate drones strikes from their heart… seems they are partner of these Kharjees and love fitna and fasad these Kharjees have created.

I am and many I know are in group 1. Most of Pakistanis, Pakistani army officers, Pakistani bureaucrats, and many politicians (belonging to all parties) are in group 2 … but number of JI members, many (not all but many) deobandis, some leaders of JUI, PTI and PMLN are in group 3.

How sad that we have people claiming to be Pakistanis who do not talk or care about 50000 innocent Pakistanis these Kharjee criminals have killed brutally, but feel remorse when Drones kill these Kharjees who are enemies of Pakistan … just because drones strikes are effectively killing Kharjee terrorists and has created fear in the spine of living Kharjee leaders and their supporters.

As far as I am concerned, drones killed mostly Taliban terrorists and few civilians (according to Pakistan defence ministry reporting to Senate, drones killed thousands of terrorists and only 67 civilians).

Anyhow, whatever anyone says or thinks; fact is that, due to drones killing Taliban terrorists, especially their leaders and planners, by doing that, drones saved thousands of innocent Pakistanis lives and properties worth billions of dollars, and that also Pakistan without spending a penny.

I think it is shrewd decision by Pakistani government that they are using Americans, free of charge, to kill enemies of Pakistan with their drones and clearing Pakistani territories from their fitna and fasad.

10

Re: Change of Heart - PMLN supporting Drone Strikes?

^ :rotfl: Saleem bhai with his own logic and creativity.

11

Re: Change of Heart - PMLN supporting Drone Strikes?

Do you trust these figures?

A fair assessment :k:

12

Re: Change of Heart - PMLN supporting Drone Strikes?

I believe on these figures just like I believe that Pakistan government (Army, Yusuf Raza Gillani in past and now Nawaz Shareef) wants drones to stop. :wink:

Both are official … figures or statements. :slight_smile:

Thanks.

13

Re: Change of Heart - PMLN supporting Drone Strikes?

The time has come for the government to be straight forward. If they are good for Pakistan they should own them. If they need drone strikes because the government/army is incompetent to punish those elements themselves then they should hand over our security to CIA to defend Pakistan against these people.

14

Re: Change of Heart - PMLN supporting Drone Strikes?


just like Zardari did...i admit he doesn't have the guts like Zardari's but mufaaHimat meN N$ ne Zardari kaa saath diyaa thaa...now, it's time to get the rewards...he'll be fine unless military junta takes over like last time...

mujhe afsos to is baat kaa hai k yeh shaKhs TEESRI baar PM banaa hai...he hasn't learned a thing from his past! he hasn't appointed the COAS as yet when Kiyani is ready to leave office...he really doesn't know who to appoint...he is more scared than ever before!

15

Re: Change of Heart - PMLN supporting Drone Strikes?

When Nawaz Sharif was becoming a premier, I was thinking of the time he has been away from active politics (14 long years) and a lot has changed in between. This is his biggest handicap, plus he is trying to avoid the fate he suffered previously. In fear he is doing nothing…which is not good for the country.

PPP did negotiate with taleban and then launched operations against them. Here no negotiations and no operations. They are so scared that they cant even hang those terrorists whose cases have been decided by the courts. Not good.

Taliban warn of reprisal if PML-N govt hangs militants - DAWN.COM

Govt ignores TTP threat, to execute three militants - DAWN.COM

and the drop scene: Asia Times Online :: ‘Fear of Taliban’ stops executions

16

Re: Change of Heart - PMLN supporting Drone Strikes?

Kiya kisi ko marna hay pagaloon kay hanth … that you want government to get straight forward in this respect? ... Not all believe on suicide and making such statement would be suicide. If this statement would come in parliament than … there would be suicide attack on Parliament by some MNAs ... rather by some party leaders :).

As for needing drone strikes, it does not mean or show that Pakistan government is incompetent. It only means that Pakistan government thinks, drone is doing job more effectively, cost efficiently, and with lower collateral damage (in life and property) than Pakistan army putting their foot on ground to kill these Kharjee terrorists.

Drones also satisfy the purpose of demoralising and creating fear in Kharjee leadership, and also kill them when they are off-guard. Direct military operation would be costly to army life too, and would not be able to kill these Kharjee leadership as effectively (Swat operation and Fazlullah still living, is an example).

As for advance drone technology, it is obvious that Pakistan does not have them and America does not want to give the technology to Pakistan. If Pakistan had drone technology as advance as Americans than Pakistan would have used drones themselves … but again, cost to Pakistan would have been high, as drone operation (fuel cost and damage to drones) plus hell-fire missiles, all cost money.

Plus, Pakistan using drones themselves would meant Kharjees direct attacks on Pakistan leadership. Many politicians would have got killed by these animals and many politicians would have got exposed to these animals.

17

Re: Change of Heart - PMLN supporting Drone Strikes?

If you knew why Kiyani got extension, you would know why government is unclear whom to appoint an army chief.

From my understanding: Musharraf was army chief and later President for 10 years. All top army men are his appointees (promoted by him from lower ranks). In Kiyani, government found an army chief who does not want to take step outside the square, and is less daring too. But government do not know about any next army chief … who could be more daring, loyal to Musharraf, and may have similar outlook towards Pakistan as Musharraf.

18

Re: Change of Heart - PMLN supporting Drone Strikes?

^ I am sorry it does show the incompetence of the government as they have not managed to capture even one high profile leader of the TTP. Mind you Pakistan has carried out operations in all of FATA (except parts of SWA and NWA) and Swat/Dir etc. All high profile leaders have been assassinated by the drones.

19

Re: Change of Heart - PMLN supporting Drone Strikes?

^^^ You are right ... all high profile leaders of Taliban got killed by drones. But that is obvious. Drones are given coordinates and they strike at that coordinates as accurately as possible, killing all present ... no time to even know what hit them and thus no escape.

With army operation, army have to engage these terrorists in fight, and then Kharjee zombies engaging army die but their leadership escapes.

20

Re: Change of Heart - PMLN supporting Drone Strikes?

If Pakistan army has these coordinates they can take them out themselves. After all OBL was living in Abbotabad and Hakeemullah also a km away from army Hq's of NWA.